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Or your business gets flagged by an automated system for dubious reasons with no way to appeal. It's the old story of big tech: they pretend to be on your side first, but their motives are nefarious.

The AI of Sauron.

But seriously, when most people see that their head of state has no moral standards whatsoever, they'll follow and drop their own standard even lower. It would be a similar situation if a bishop was openly a drunkard or if an army sergeant was a lazy drug addict.


Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said this in 1928:

> Decency, security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means - to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal - would bring terrible retributions.

https://law.jrank.org/pages/11566/Opinion-U-S-Supreme-Court-...

Timothy McVeigh used the beginning of this quote as a statement before his conviction, FWIW.. https://archive.is/xineB


AI of Sauron LMFAO

You can also not take offense to it either and ignore the "slopaganda". The fact that it triggered you shows that it's "working".

Did you notice any evidence of triggering in the person you are replying to's post? I didn't, but perhaps you are some kind of triggering-detection savant beyond my understanding

> ..when most people see that their head of state has no moral standards whatsoever,

I’m not a trigger-detecting savant. I just don’t share your or GP’s assumptions about “most people”. There isn’t a single standard -- people here don’t all think alike.


Does it mean that an old galaxy will necessarily turn into a black hole due to accumulated interactions in the past?

This might become technocracy at some point, if the corporations become stronger than the state govs. In that case, the entire NOAM region will become a so-called technate, ruled by a form of ToS. I'd say, technocracy is way worse than even autocracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement


I think you may have fundamentally misunderstood what a technocracy is: it has nothing to do with tech companies whatsoever. From literally the article that you have linked:

> The technocracy movement proposed replacing partisan politicians and business people with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy.


Technocracy is probably not the right word for what you mean. Oligarchy is probably a better one. This will probably evolve into idiocracy if you have seen the similarly named documentary .

AI is alien intelligence, really. If biotech created an unusual mold that responds to electric impulses the way LLMs do, we would rightfully declare that this mold has some sort of intelligence and for this reason it is, technically speaking, an alien lifeform. AI is just that intelligent mold, but based on transistors instead of organic cells. Needless to say, it's a bad idea to create a competing lifeform that's smarter than us, regardless of whatever flimsy benefits it might have.

Hey, I just wanted to say, big fan of your work on vixra.org

LLM is not real AI, would take 75% of our galaxy energy to reach human level error rates, and is economically a fiction.... but it doesn't have to be "AGI" to cause real harm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principl...

The damage is already clear =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYNHYIX11Pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftBiNu0ZNU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-8TDOFqkQA


It would be more interesting to make it build a chess engine and compare it against Stockfish. The chess engine should be a standalone no-dependencies C/C++ program that fits in NNN lines of code.

My back-of-the-envelope guess would be that 99% of LLMs given the task to build a chess engine would probably just end up implementing a flavor of negamax and calling it a day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negamax


Comparing against stockfish isn't fair. That's comparing against enormous amounts of compute spent experimenting with strategies, training neutral nets, etc.

It will lose so badly there will be no point in the comparison.

Besides you could compare models (and harnesses) directly against eachother.


Stockfish is a good reference point, an objective measure of how far the LLM's advanced.

It's not. Maybe if you used old versions of stockfish that predate the neural net methods used by current versions, because otherwise you'd be comparing the hand-rolled (by an LLM) position evaluation functions against an NNUE and the results of that are a forgone conclusion; stockfish will stomp it every time.

Maybe that's the result you want for some sort of rhetorical reason, but it would nonetheless not be an informative test.


oh that is super interesting. ty for the idea!

To stress test a Chinese AI ask it about Free Tibet, Free Taiwan, Uighurs and Falun Dafa. They will probably blacklist your IP after that.

I suspect it's not the population's expression of ownership, but simply gangs marking their territory.

Sometimes tagging is that, sure, or just some person indicating that they exist there. For some taggers, it's an addiction. I knew one that would tag at people's houses when invited to parties. I was outside smoking a cigarette with him after the owner had threw him out on his ass, asking why he did shit like that, and he said "I just feel like if I can tag someone's house, it's like I've won."

I can kinda empathize since I'll have an addiction to getting the perfect photograph during a protest or whatever and will go to extreme lengths and burn through SD cards to get it.

In my experience the majority of graffiti is artists just putting up art. Privileged folk pass down the propaganda that graffiti is dirty and gangster and so any street art is viewed as dirty, but in the end it's just a matter of taste.


> the majority of graffiti is artists just putting up art.

Art? Where I live the overwhelming majority of graffiti is just a few letters forming meaningless words... Like even if it was art, no one could appreciate it because no one could understand it.


Eh, that kinda sucks. If you learn to read it, it can be a bit cool to see who's where. But I would say the majority of graffiti in my city is at minimum a little doodle, and often full blown murals. If that's not the case where you live that is indeed a bit ofa bummer.

Art? There are some exceptions, indeed, where graffiti can be called art, but most of it is tasteless disgusting mess. It's borderline demonic in some cases. This especially applies to the list of pictures in the post. My theory is why ugliness is often considered beautiful is because ugliness invokes stronger and darker emotions.

    > "Borderline demonic"
    > look inside
    > it's Calvin and hobbes

> It's borderline demonic

Demons aren't real so I don't understand what this means.

> tasteless disgusting mess

Do you disagree that taste is subjective, then? It seems what's happening here is that you're very, very confident that you are an authority on what's beautiful, despite several people telling you they find beauty in what you abhor.


The type of art you like or dislike is a reflection of your mental state. In this sense, taste is subjective. However some of those mental states are good and some are evil, which is objective. If I suddenly find myself liking aggressive chaotic art, I'll be worried that something's changed in me in a bad way.

But you're right that I'm very confident in my measure of what's beautiful and what's not, and a few people aren't going to sway me. Even if every last human on the earth fell for this demonic art, I wouldn't budge.


Your unshaking confidence in your subjective experience as being representative of something factual about the universe made me peek at your history to see just how far it went. I found this comment:

> It's the Christian version of the Dao.

So far as I can tell, this isn't a thing that actually exists, but you refer to it as "the," meaning that to you, it's an objectively existing thing that we should all recognize.

Alongside that:

> The type of art you like or dislike is a reflection of your mental state

No, this is not objectively true in the way you seem to be implying.

> some of those mental states are good and some are evil, which is objective

No, practically by definition, "good" and "evil" are subjective.

> Even if every last human on the earth fell for this demonic art, I wouldn't budge.

Yes, this is clear.

Out of good faith and frank honesty I tell you this: There is no purpose in conversing with you, as apparently you're only capable of lecturing people of the Verified-by-Jehovah Revealed Truth of your personal ideology.


Yeah, and toddlers are supremely confident that broccoli is objectively bad because it's yucky.

Being incapable of overruling your base reactions is not a flex.


The most well known writers (this is their term, few if any graffiti writers I know refer to themselves as artists) are actually the ones who paint trains, not in metro areas. Yes, writers do paint all over metro areas, but that gets buffed out so quickly that the real holy grail is to get up on trains that go all over the country.

Train graffiti allows your art to roam and writers from other cities see it and recognize it. Your creativity proceeds you when you go to other cities to write and expand where you're known.

I live in a large metro and see very little if any gang graffiti. Also, most of the really good stuff? You never know its there because its under bridges, in aqua ducts and other areas few, if any people know about or venture to.


"art"

Why do you suspect that?

This time in history looks like a revival of technocracy from the 1930s, dressed in new colors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy


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