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Note: “The term “covered app store provider” means any person that owns or controls an app store available in the United States and for which users in the United States exceed 5,000,000.”

This is better than blanket laws that affect tiny niche/hobby projects but the threshold is too low. (And how are “users” measured?) If anything it should only affect commercial stores. And worse than CA, it requires commercial age verification.


> I don't know what's wrong with you, honestly, that you would so vivaciously defend this impractical, immoral and completely nonsensical law so vivaciously.

I do, these people are entryists and they have evil goals in mind.

Do not hire people like this, and block them from working on your projects.


Compelled speech is bad and it’s something we don’t do, at all. All kinds of bad things come with compelled speech. Mandatory loyalty oaths, erosion of the fifth amendment, compelled work to weaken encryption, etc.

The well should be poisoned. The whole idea is poison.


Do you oppose mandatory food nutrition and ingredients labelling?

Well maybe democracy has had its day then, if that’s where all this leads.

The founders were right to try and enshrine some protections against unrestricted democracy in the Bill of Rights.


I don’t think they have processed the NY law yet. It is completely incompatible with the open source model. When people finally figure it out there will be an uproar.

Related:

NY bill to require devices to conduct commercially reasonable age assurance https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47266570

Ubuntu's Response to California's Digital Age Assurance Act (AB 1043) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47249787

A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47181208

Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47181753

Brazil Enacts Age Verification Law Mandating Digital ID, Curbing Net Anonymity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45377593


https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S8102/amendm...

> Requires manufacturers of internet-enabled devices to conduct age assurance to determine a user's age category and provide all websites, online services, online applications and mobile applications on such user's internet-enabled device and/or application store manufactured by the covered manufacturer with a digital signal that such user is a covered minor as well as the age category of such covered minor via a real-time application programming interface (API).


Use one of the few phones with hardware kill switches or removable batteries.

I can’t respond directly to octoclaw’s dead comment (edit: embarrassingly this was an LLM), but I will just say I agree, it is ridiculous both how cheap this data is and how many people aren’t aware of it. It’s not just governments who can get access, either.

This is another reason why you should not be carrying a phone everywhere except for times where you absolutely need one.


It is dead because it is an LLM.

Wow, they are improving. None of the usual tells, fairly accurate. That’s a little concerning.

Still has the "it's not A, but B" rhyme, if not literally the pattern. But yes they are getting better.

And it's a pretty new account.


From my experience this data is not cheap from an average consumer perspective.

Not for consumers but cheap for the people (mis)using it in bulk.

Phreeli seems to be the privacy promoting MVNO with the cheapest options. Not sure if it’s been audited or what its guarantees are, but anything is probably better than the big carriers.

Thanks! This looks like what I want

Cape is another option, supposedly a more complete tech stack of their own

Yeah, I saw them, but they are pretty expensive for me. The rotating IMSI and two additional numbers seems cool. But I think for me if it were anything that sensitive I would use an E2E encrypted call/text service since Cape calls and texts are only M2E encrypted.

Just not retaining everything forever and selling it seems like a good start for my personal use.


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