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Spotlight and Mission Control (and the dock) being separate is good, and them being tied together on Gnome is horrible.

I just want to type which app to launch or do some quick math or search for something, I don't need my windows and UI to fly in 14 different directions and then back again every time I need to do those things. Ditto for just want to lazily do something on my dock with the mouse. It's seriously one of the most ill designed off-putting UX things about Gnome.


Isn't the idea that 99% of people use a toolkit atop of Vulkan?

Like, these days game devs just use Unreal Engine, which abstracts away having to work with the PS5 / PS4, DirectX 12, and Vulkan APIs.

I imagine unless it's either for A. edification or B. very bespoke purpose code, you're not touching Vulkan.


> Isn't the idea that 99% of people use a toolkit atop of Vulkan?

This idea creates a serious chicken-egg-problem.

Two or three popular engine code bases sitting on top of Vulkan isn't enough 'critical mass' to get robust and high performance Vulkan drivers. When there's so little diversity in the code hammering on the Vulkan API it's unlikely that all the little bugs and performance problems lurking in the drivers will be triggered and fixed, especially when most Unity or Unreal game projects will simply select the D3D11 or D3D12 backend since their main target platform on PC is Windows.

Similar problem to when GLQuake was the only popular OpenGL game, as soon as your own code used the GL API in a slightly different way than Quake did all kinds of things broke since those GL drivers only properly implemented and tested the GL subset used by GLQuake, and with the specific function call patterns of GLQuake.

From what I've seen so far, the MESA Vulkan drivers on Linux seem to be in much better shape than the average Windows Vulkan driver. The only explanation I have for this is that there are hardly any Windows games running on top of Vulkan (instead they use D3D11 or D3D12), while running those same D3D11/D3D12 games on Linux via Proton always goes through the Vulkan driver. So on Linux there may be more 'evolutionary pressure' to get high quality Vulkan drivers indirectly via D3D11/D3D12 games that run via Proton.


You might be unaware of this, but Vulkan Video Decode is slowly but surely replacing the disparate bespoke video decode acceleration on almost all platforms.

Vulkan is mature. It has been used in production since 2013 (!) in the form of Mantle. I have no idea why all the Vulkan doomsayers here think it still needs a half-to-whole decade to be 'useful'.


>”hardly any Windows games running on top of Vulkan”

I run all my windows games on Vulkan.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Vulkan_games


280 games over 10 years really isn't impressive (2.5x less than even D3D8 which was an unpopular 'inbetween' D3D version and only relevant for about 2 years). D3D12 (890 games) isn't great either when compared to D3D11 (4.6k) or D3D9 (3.3k), it really demonstrates what a massive failure the modern 3D APIs are for real-world usage :/

I don't think those lists are complete, but they seem to show the right relative amount of 3D API usage across PC games.


I’m just pointing out that Vulkan is supported on all major modern engines, internal and public. Some also go so far as to do DX12 (fine, it’s a similar feeling API) but what’s really amazing is taking all of those games that run on OpenGL, DirectX, etc and forcing them to run on Vulkan…

Proton is amazing and Wine project deserves your support.


What deserves our support is pushing for native Linux games, not helping to keep Windows status quo by making use of Wine and Proton.

It is no different from being happy to use Amiga, Atari, Nintendo, PlayStation, Spectrum, C64, NeoGeo emulators on Linux.


Video games are entertainment. In the old days you inserted a cartridge or optical disc into a physical device. You play the game, finish it and then move on. They are always self contained experiences with a custom UI independent of the OS.

In the best case, explicit Linux support does not affect the experience in a positive or negative way. In the worst case, explicit Linux support means the game can't be played anymore.


> They are always self contained experiences with a custom UI independent of the OS.

Not really, as each OS and hardware provided different capabilities that made some games only possible in specific platforms.

Additionally depending on the platform, some ports were great, others were money thrown into the garbage bin.


Doing it this way actually makes games more stable on Linux. Often, Linux ports of games would be riddled with bugs because the QA just isn't worth it. Especially because desktop Linux is always in a fast flux of changes. Hence the joke that "Win32 is the only stable Linux ABI."

Now game studios can just develop for windows, work out all the bugs. And then Proton has a broad set of compatibility patches that can be applied to those Windows games.

Doing it this way also unlocks a gigantic library of old games that otherwise would have been unplayable on Linux.

So, no. No native Linux games please.


Thus keeping Windows the main platform for game studios and gamers.

Enjoy those 3% market share.


>Like, these days game devs just use Unreal Engine

This is not true in the slightest. There are loads of custom 3D engines across many many companies/hobbyists. Vulkan has been out for a decade now, there are likely Vulkan backends in many (if not most) of them.


Many people need something in-between heavy frameworks and engines or oppinionated wrappers with questionable support on top of Vulkan; and Vulkan itself. OpenGL served that purpose perfectly, but it's unfortunately abandoned.

Isn't that what the Zink, ANGLE, or GLOVE projects meant to provide? Allow you to program in OpenGL, which is then automatically translated to Vulkan for you.

Those are mostly designed for back porting and not new projects. OpenGL is dead for new projects.

I do all my new projects in OpenGL and Cuda since I'm not smart enough for Vulkan.

> OpenGL is dead for new projects.

Says who? Why?

It looks long term stable to me so I don't see the issue.


DirectX 9 is long term stable so I don't see the issue...

No current gen console supports it. Mac is stuck on OpenGL 4.1 (you can't even compile anything OpenGL on a Mac without hacks). Devices like Android run Vulkan more and more and are sunsetting OpenGLES. No, OpenGL is dead. Vulkan/Metal/NVN/DX12/WebGPU are the current.



It’s also almost 10 years old and not a current gen system.

Owners of Switch 2 beg to differ.

And secondly that doesn't matter when we look at the amount of sold units.

Valve can only dream to sell a quarter of those numbers.


Valve owns the market, it doesn't have to...

Also, if we're talking Switch 2, you have Vulkan support on it so odds are you would choose 2x-10x performance gains over OpenGL. It isn't that powerful. My 6 year old iPhone is on par.


The aforementioned abstraction layers exist. You had dismissed those as only suitable for backporting. Can you justify that? What exactly is wrong with using a long term stable API whether via the native driver or an abstraction layer?

Edit: By the same logic you could argue that C89 is dead for new projects but that's obviously not true. C89 is eternal and so is OpenGL now that we've got decent hardware independent implementations.


Wasn't it announced last year that it was getting a new mesh shader extension?

I don't see the point of those when I can just directly use OpenGL. Any translation layer typically comes with limitations or issues. Also, I'm not that glued to OpenGL, I do think it's a terrible API, but there just isn't anything better yet. I wanted Vulkan to be something better, but I'm not going to use an API with entirely pointless complexity with zero performance benefits for my use cases.

That is the approach Google is taking, by making Vulkan the only 3D API on Android.

See Android ANGLE on Vulkan roadmap,

https://developer.android.com/games/develop/vulkan/overview#...


No.

There are literally dozens of in-house engines that run on Vulkan. Not everything is Unreal or Unity.


Vendors like that would be in deep GDPR shit if they claim to not store highly sensitive data and then do in fact store highly sensitive data.

Generally the GDPR is not rigorously enforced, but when it comes to sensitive data like face scans, IDs, medical data etc. the hammer comes down a lot swifter and harder.


GDPR does not stop a breach.

Discord already lost user IDs. Will GDPR delete them from the darknet?


High-end chips should be more of a EU concerted effort rather than every country for itself.

The problem is that unlike Airbus, which (highly inefficiently) can be made in multiple countries, you can't really spread out parts of a fab that way. The most you can do is fab machines + chips + chip packaging. Netherlands already has fab machines and in packaging there isn't a high margin.

That leaves chips, and you can be sure that whoever gets the fabs, the other EU countries will throw a shit fit and demand counter investments to compensate. And on top of that there is also regional animosity. So even if it makes logical sense to pop the fab down in the middle of the blue banana, it won't make political sense because France and all of South and East EU will be angry about "the rich getting richer".


>High-end chips should be more of a EU concerted effort rather than every country for itself.

And how are we gonna do that exactly? EU runs on national interests of those footing the bill, mainly France and Germany as the largest net contributors.

When you're relying on national subsidies to build and run a factory and adjacent infrastructure in a country, you're tied to national interests and demands of those countries footing the bill for all that infrastructure.

So the likes of France and Germany aren't gonna give billions in subsidies from their taxpayers' money to semiconductor companies so that they can incorporate in Netherlands to dodge taxes and then create jobs in low-cost Poland and Romania instead of at home, even though that's already been happening to an extent in other industries over the last 20+ years.

It's the same with arms purchases now. France blocked Ukraine from using its money to buy British made weapons that are already available, since it expects that money to go back into the French economy, not to the economy of a competitor, even if the much needed weapons will arrive much later.

Yeah I know, UK isn't EU anymore, but the point still stands, as EU nations are still economically competitors to each other and they're not gonna spend their tax money to fund competing economies even in the EU block.


> And how are we gonna do that exactly? EU runs on national interests of those footing the bill, mainly France and Germany as the largest net contributors.

The top net contributors are countries like Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands, etc., I'm not sure where you get the idea that France and Germany are.

I will say you point out another big problem with the EU: its budget is tiny compared to the member states themselves. I do think as time goes on and millenials get in real positions of power, the idea of a more unified EU will get much broader support. So more of an EU army, much more of a single market, etc., but this will be a 25-50y timescale. I would have said it might have taken much longer, but the US and China bullying single EU countries has really displayed how exposed the current situation is.

> It's the same with arms purchases now. France blocked Ukraine from using its money to buy British made weapons that are already available, since it expects that money to go back into the French economy, not to the economy of a competitor, even if the much needed weapons will arrive much later.

> Yeah I know, UK isn't EU anymore, but the point still stands, as EU nations are still economically competitors to each other and they're not gonna spend their tax money to fund competing economies even in the EU block.

No, that is just reasonable. Theoretically I am all for open trade in the name of efficiency, but in the coming multi-polar world, there is real advantage to having more onshored production. This also really makes me want to integrate Ukraine into the EU. Their troops are very battle-hardened at this point, and would bring ample experience to EU armies. Especially in the field of drone warfare.


> and millenials get in real positions of power, the idea of a more unified EU will get much broader support. So more of an EU army

Wow, how convenient that millenials who age out of military conscription , become more pro-military conscription.

Also, check the stats, majority of EU youth don't want to fight to even protect their own country, let alone other EU countries. For example Only 16% of Germans would "definitely" take up arms to defend Germany if attacked. Let that sink in.

Because why would they? What's to fight for when you can't afford to own a house and people aren't starting families anymore? Go fight and die to protect your landlord's, Blackrock's and Vanguard's wealth? N'ah bro, I'm packing my bags and fleeing across the border any way I can.

So no, the "EU army" fantasy is not happening no matter the propaganda, unless you put a gun to their head.

> I would have said it might have taken much longer, but the US and China bullying single EU countries has really displayed how exposed the current situation is.

You didn't have to wait for US and Chian to bully, you just had to watch the EU's share of global GDP completely slide into oblivion over the last 20 years compared to US and CHian to figure that when you're economically weak you become more exploitable. More EU military will not change that balance unless the EU military can somehow surpass US and CHina combined to dictate world politics and trade in their favor, which let's be real, is not happening.


You're nuts dude. All the stuff you say is cherrypicked, taken out of context or just a straight up lie, just so you can paint the world in your strange perspective.

> Wow, how convenient that millenials who age out of military conscription , become more pro-military conscription.

The youngest millenials are still ±30 now, they would still be eligible for conscription until 45.

> Also, check the stats, majority of EU youth don't want to fight to even protect their own country, let alone other EU countries. For example Only 16% of Germans would "definitely" take up arms to defend Germany if attacked.

First of all, you decided to be cute and pick the country that is the most reluctant about war, due to having an uneasy past. Like Japan. But let's roll with it. That poll says 16% "definitely", but also an additional 22% "probably". 59% would "probably not" fight. But of those who would not fight, 72% are women who would be unlikely to be in conscripted combat roles, so the real percentage of refusals would more likely be 17% (59% - 42%). And there's also the factor that a people gets incensed when their homeland is actually attacked, so the actual willingness is likely to be higher under pressure.

> Go fight and die to protect your landlord's, Blackrock's and Vanguard's wealth?

You're so unknowledgeable you confused BlackRock with Blackstone. Anyway, all three of those own minimal percentages of EU (or US, for that matter) housing stock.

Landlords are another matter, a huge amount of stock is in the hand of small 1-5 domicile owners. They are mostly boomers.

You are right to be irate at how millenials, gen z and gen alpha are getting the shaft right now. But that has nothing to do with war or the EU's economic situation, and everything with policy choices of the past 30-40 years that coddle boomers (housing stock, pensions, healthcare) at the cost of everyone else.

> N'ah bro, I'm packing my bags and fleeing across the border any way I can.

Good riddance, no one in the EU wants to host a seditious clown.

> So no, the "EU army" fantasy is not happening

The train of progress steams ahead unbothered. A couple of decades ago the EU or the euro "fantasy wasn't happening". And the current population is more pro-EU than ever, and the like has only been trending up since the EU's inception.

> you just had to watch the EU's share of global GDP completely slide into oblivion over the last 20 years

The EU actually had the biggest economy from 2008-2015, although that was more an artifact of exchange prices. The last decade has indeed been mismanaged but we have certainly not "slid into oblivion".

The US has had an economically amazing decade, and China was always going to become number 2 considering the population it has. And then on top of that, lots of countries in SEA, South America and some in Africa have grown to be a much larger slice of the global economic pie. And that's good! A rising tide raises all ships.

In general, the economic center of gravity was always slowly going to shift to Asia, and thus the Pacific seaboard.

> More EU military will not change that balance unless the EU military can somehow surpass US and CHina combined

The US military doesn't surpass the combined militaries of China and the EU either.. nor has it used its hegemon power to "dictate world politics", even if it has meddled in other's affairs sometimes. The main mission of the US military is (was?) security for itself and global stability & free shipping lanes to allow as much trade for the US as possible.


>You're so unknowledgeable you confused BlackRock with Blackstone. Anyway

No, I was talking about Blackrock specifically, don't put words in my mouth. BlackRock is a significant shareholder in many of the EU's biggest corporations, who are the ones lobbying and dictating policies you have to live by.

> people gets incensed when their homeland is actually attacked

That's why the whole EU if full of military aged Ukrainian males, because they all love defending their homeland ... from their apartment in Berlin.

>Good riddance, no one in the EU wants to host a seditious clown

I'd rather be called a clown by losers on the internet and survive, than be a virtue signaling "patriot" online dying in someone else's war.

> And the current population is more pro-EU than ever,

Yeah, the EU population is so pro-EU, that the EU has to constantly buy propaganda ads on radio, TV and social media to remind us to be pro-EU, and then ban/censor/arrest those saying mean things about the EU in public.


I wish you good luck, considering how you appear to be drowning in alt right (or left?) disinformation, probably from some weird filter bubble. You'll need the good fortune.

∗<:o)


>The top net contributors are countries like Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands, etc.,

Not by raw amount of euros no. By % of GDP or per capita maybe.


Per capita yes, which is the only logical way to compare it.

The only logical way to compare is by amount of money.

No, because a Dutch citizen in the EU is paying a lot more into the system than a French citizen in that same EU.

If "per country" is the logical way to compare it, then the Dutch (and all other small countries) are severely lacking. If you compare it per capita, then the citizens of those countries I named are already carrying a ridiculously undue burden.


The solution is to make the EU more like an actual unified economic and monitary union- with a central fiscal authority, unified public debt, all member states joining the Eurozone, unified tax system, etc.

Be aware that you are discussing with a 48-days old account that is almost exclusively posting doubious takes like this.

>48-days old account

Since when is the quality of arguments and the understanding of economics and politics tied to the age of your account? Is this how arguments are won here? Age discrimination goes against HN rules. Your opinion on global events is not automatically more correct than others just because you've been on HN 10 years longer than others.

>posting doubious takes like this

Universally recognized and factually proven facts = dubious to you?

What (counter-)arguments do you actually bring to this discussion, other than throwing ageism and baseless accusations at people as your strategy to discredit their opinions you dislike?

That's exactly the opposite of the HN rules.


They're trying to imply that fresh accounts might be used to steer opinions, IOW, they're trying to imply that you are a politically motivated kind of bot...

I agree, its a rather shady approach. But here you go, we'll get more and more of this, its a conveneient method to discredit discussion partners with unwanted opinions.


It's also a little bit more prevalent since after 5 or 6 comments you get soft-banned for hours, cannot have a decent discussion here anymore.

Except mine is not a fresh account though. THis is just moving the goalposts in search of vapid things to discredit people for unpopular opinions without arguments.

Calling people whose opinions you dislike but can't refute as "bots" is the lowest of the low copes of losing arguments.

Not accusing you of this, just pointing out the hypocrisy of those doing it.


Your response is, completely expected, an appeal to outrage.

You’re asserting that account age shouldn’t matter, and that any scrutiny is morally illegitimate.

Nobody is discriminating against you. It’s just that account age is one of the few signals that an online platform has to go by.

HN absolutely recognizes this in their policy, considering that they give new accounts an entirely different color to make them stand out from the rest, and that they don’t allow downvotes unless your account has achieved a certain karma level.


>Your response is, completely expected, an appeal to outrage.

How do you react towards ageism and discrimination?

>It’s just that account age is one of the few signals that an online platform has to go by.

None of that invalidates or even addresses my arguments. It's still about exclusion of people based on account date rather than WHAT they say.

>HN absolutely recognizes this in their policy, considering that they give new accounts an entirely different color to make them stand out from the rest, and that they don’t allow downvotes unless your account has achieved a certain karma level.

Except that my account is not green, and I AM allowed to downvote.


Hey it's not just ageism, you're also anonymous!

The goalposts always move whenever you want to discredit someone but don't have any valid counter arguments to their arguments. It's either the age of your account, the karma you have, your username, anything but saying why your argument is wrong.

Never mind you can start another alt

Did you check what zodiac sign the account was created under too? That's another signal for you.

No thanks.

Look across the Atlantic for what will eventually happen once you concentrate the power.

I say the power should remain close to the people, decentralized and democratic, not centralised and concentrated.


The EU is exactly the image of a central government and worse of it all, its bureaucrats are not elected by anyone so you get bullshit like the zombie Chat control coming back every 2 months. The most dysfunctional system of all.

"Bureaucrats" are rarely elected, that's what makes them bureaucrats. They're appointed.

As for the EU, you have the Commission who are unelected and the Parliament who are elected. The Parliament has to confirm laws like chat control.

If a majority of Parliament votes in chat control (they haven't and probably won't), that means a majority of the people want chat control. Or think they want it, anyway.

I'm also not sure why you think the EU is the pinnacle of central government. It carries vastly less power over its constituent countries than the US does over its constituent states.


I'll take the EU over US, China, UN or any other bit bureaucracy you can think of. And I'll take the EU over ni EU as well.

that seems to be an unpopular take in Europe right now since you have a clear rise of extremist parties in all its corners.

Theres more of them for sure, but net they are a minority. It's big news when one, in one country, comes close to a majority.

Even the extremely Eurosceptic Orban seems much happier in the EU than out.


In most countries those are the minority, and they seem to be riding a mostly populist wave. The EU isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

Of all the things that are never going to happen, this one will never going to happen the most.

No, thanks, we really don't need a US of E.

Speak for yourself.

That's a funny reply coming from a "data journalist". I hope you do the same when publishing your stuff.

Do the same what? I don't position my personal opinions as statements of truth that "we" all believe, if that's what you mean.

The Eurobarometer and other surveys clearly show the majority of EU citizens want further integration in lots of fields including defence, foreign policy, fiscal matters, etc. Further integration, such as the adoption of the Euro, is legally mandated and pretty much inevitable.

So when you say "we", you should clarify who you're claiming to represent, because it's not most of us.


>The Eurobarometer and other surveys clearly show the majority of EU citizens want further integration

Where, when and how were the samples for that barometer taken?

If they're really so confident those number being accurate, why don't we have referendum and we can decided there and ink it to make it official.


> Where, when and how were the samples for that barometer taken?

This is all publicly-available information, I trust you can find it.

> why don't we have referendum

Referendums are the prerogative of member states, the EU doesn't have the legal powers to organise a referendum. If you want one, speak to your MP.


So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return?

How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps?

How do you expect those people footing most of the bill to give up their status quo and voluntarily sign up for something like this? Oh wait, I remember, that's why they're pushing chat control and digital-ID on us.


> How do you expect those people footing most of the bill to give up their status quo and voluntarily sign up for something like this?

If you do not see how someone like US or China can play 27 individual countries and divide Europe by propping one nation and discrediting another, for example recent Trump admin meddling with Poland, or Musk fiddling with German and Spanish government, then it's going to be difficult having this discussion with you.

Another aspect... Spain stopped being a dictatorship 51 years ago, half of the continent was under Soviet influence until something like 35 years ago, communist for that matter. The continent has been consolidated over the last half a century. Painting EU as the root of all evil is not a way forward.


> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps?

Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?


Firstly, NO, the US is a country, the EU is not.

Secondly, even if the US as a country is tighter integrated and more financially successful than the EU as a union, the US is not a successful model example of a well functioning society that people in the EU would aspire to emulate, on the contrary, they'd rather preserve the status quo than turning into something resembling what the US has become.


Ok, well I guess if Europe is fine with a continued slide in global economic relevance, they can keep their status quo.

But something tells me that's not what Europeans generally want...


>Ok, well I guess if Europe is fine with a continued slide in global economic relevance, they can keep their status quo.

EU citizens understood and recognize that economic supremacy of some private sector industries is pointless if the gains all go to the hands of a few tax dodging trillionaires with sex trafficking private islands, while the externalities get outsourced to the environment and the public sector to deal with leading to increased wealth inequality, homelessness, crime, drug addiction, etc

That's why they want to see policies that will first address the environment and quality of life, before shareholder returns, even if that makes them less economically dominant.

EU people don't want to live in a world of fent zombies on the streets, cars with smashed windows from petty crime, food deserts, homeless people, all in the name of economic superiority.


European here, you can keep your US of E stuff... We dont need more concentration of power, we need less of it. The EU is a hopeless cause anyway...

Right. That's exactly what I'm claiming, that the EU has to become more like a confederation, more closely integrated than it is now but less integrated than modern federations like the USA or Germany. Closer to the early USA (where the states had more power compared to today and the federal government less).

It has zero to do with communism.


>that the EU has to become more like a confederation, more closely integrated than it is now but less integrated than modern federations like the USA or Germany. Closer to the early USA (where the states had more power compared to today and the federal government less).

Do you see the perfectly exemplified contradiction here? Centralized government power always tends to want more and more control, more and more power over time, while shedding any and all forms accountability. It never stops and says "ok, we have just the right amount of control now, we can start back off and leave everyone be". That never happened in history of humanity.

The evolution of the US central government you gave is the perfect example of this overreach that grew with time and the best argument why we shouldn't try to emulate that. Because so is the EU compared to how it was 30 years ago, and it will just keep growing and swallowing more control and influence over its members, with less and less accountability, and it won't just stop when you think the right balance has been achieved. It will only stop when IT decides it wants to, but by that point it will be too late for you to have a choice in this.

Plus, even ignoring all that, what worked in the US 200-300 years ago, can't simply be applied to Europe now. You can't simply copy-paste policies across continents, cultures and time, and imagine it will simply Just-Work™.


>Isn’t this exactly how the United States and every other country works?

EU is not a country. It's a political and economic union. And I think it can't become a country since peoples of member states desire to keep a degree of national sovereignty.


> So in your opinion, the solution is that individual national serenity should be abolished and the EU should have the liberty, nay, the authority to fleece its highest payers into the system, like France and Germany, and then redistribute their money to whoever and whatever it sees fit, for the "greater good" of the union, with no accountability or obligation to provide them equal benefits in return?

There indeed won't be equal benefits, but instead France, Germany etc are going to benefit a lot more in this kind of situation than without the integration. We've already seen the massive benefits of the single market integration for example for the German economy and industry. It'd be strange to think that further erosion of barriers and better integration wouldn't bring further benefits to the economies involved.

> How is this not communist tyranny with extra steps?

Um, by the fact that the EU wouldn't be taking over the means of production when it'd be integrating? Like come on, this is just silly, to call a block dedicated to free market principles and social capitalism "communist tyranny".

I swear, this kind of economic illiteracy is going to be the end of us all.

> How do you expect those people footing most of the bill to give up their status quo and voluntarily sign up for something like this? Oh wait, I remember, that's why they're pushing chat control and digital-ID on us.

The EU isn't pushing for the Chat Control and whatever, it's only certain member countries like Denmark doing that. They should absolutely be reprimanded for that, but nevertheless the difference is important.

Also, the people "footing most of the bill" would also be benefiting massively, for example by making sure that we would no longer have a situation like the Greek debt crisis messing everything up for the entire currency block.


Specialization takes away a lot of the competitive pressure.

What do you mean by this?

> Yeah I know, UK isn't EU anymore, but the point still stands, as EU nations are still economically competitors to each other and they're not gonna spend their tax money to fund competing economies even in the EU block.

Uh, no the point doesn't stand anymore if your example isn't actually a reflection of it - at least not anymore then any other unfounded opinion pieces with no collaborating evidence


>Uh, no the point doesn't stand anymore if your example isn't actually a reflection of it

What part of my original statement you quoted

   "EU nations are still economically competitors to each other and they're not gonna spend their tax money to fund competing economies even in the EU block"
do you think does not stand anymore and why?

>unfounded opinion pieces with no collaborating evidence

Maybe reading comprehension or understanding of international politics within the EU is not your strength, but I gave you the evidence and arguments in the comment you quoted. Maybe you don't like to hear what I said, but that's another thing entirely.


The preceding example to the quotes excerpt. I was just under the seemingly mistaken assumption you'd remember the contents of your own comment.

You again brought no argument when I asked you to. How can anyone have a conversation out of this when you refuse to play ball and are only interested in throwing hissy fits at comments you disagree with?

okay,the preceding paragraph I referenced of yours was

> It's the same with arms purchases now. France blocked Ukraine from using its money to buy British made weapons that are already available, since it expects that money to go back into the French economy, not to the economy of a competitor, even if the much needed weapons will arrive much later.

Which you the followed up with

> Yeah I know, UK isn't EU anymore, but the point still stands, as EU nations are still economically competitors to each other and they're not gonna spend their tax money to fund competing economies even in the EU block.

To which I responded with (just in case your ability to recall that fails you again) with

> Uh, no the point doesn't stand anymore if your example isn't actually a reflection of it - at least not anymore then any other unfounded opinion pieces with no collaborating evidence


>unfounded opinion pieces with no collaborating evidence

My evidence was (as you typed it yourself) that with the war in Ukraine and arms demand flourishing, France only spends money on subsidies with the guarantee that money is going back towards its own economy, as does every other major EU economy, not just for arms, but for semiconductors too.

If you were too thick to get that, or you refuse to belive it on some ideology, or want to die on a hill over a technicality, then I'm sorry, but nothing more I will do or say will convince you, when you've already made up your mind otherwise.


Yes, and you then followed it up with pointing out yourself how this is just your unfounded opinion because the example you cited doesn't actually reflect the situation you extrapolated to, because the UK is not part of the EU

Airbus was never born as a European giant. It was a merging of many national champions (Aérospatiale, DASA and CASA) that were each already making full airplanes. They figured out how to spread out the manufacturing later.

Airbus currently has two factories finalizing the airplane assembly: one in Toulouse and one in Hamburg. You could copy this model and just open different fab in different countries to spread production.

Also, another model is one country making wafers, one country making EUV-lithography machines and parts, one country mining and refining silicon, etc.


There's no "one country making lithography machines". The mirrors come from Germany already. Other parts from about 160 other countries around the world. The EUV tech itself is an American invention and was picked up by ASML. That is why USA has the say in who gets it.

Fabs are so expensive and profit from local knowlage. 2 full leading node fabs seems optimistic.

Good point, but gotta remember that people don't buy chips, they buy products. There's plenty of stuff to be produced. From components to PCBs to casing to packaging.

China didn't become the manufacturing giant it is because of a single product, they did because the whole supply chain was moving there while the EU and US were only concerned about higher-margin products and activities.

I'm sure some town in Italy wishes it was still the world's #1 diode manufacturer or something.


>I'm sure some town in Italy wishes it was still the world's #1 diode manufacturer or something.

Except that's exactly what happened. EU semi fabs like the ones in Italy mostly make diodes, mosfets, microcontrollers and other such low margin products. Nobody here tapes out GPUs and CPUs, that's all Korea, Taiwan and US.


I wish more people understood this. Or perhaps they do, but it doesn't fir their political pitches or something.

Funding an enormously complicated semiconductor facility from a blank sheet of paper somewhere in Europe is a very expensive way to accomplish little, if the rest of the supply chain from materials to products is in non-friendly nations.

The way to bring in an industry the same way you do anything complicated: You start small. Get the specialized diode factory up and running again, and then build out supporting industries and value chains as needed. Complex lithography equipment can wait until last.

It wasn't long ago we built mobile phones in Europe. Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens, Alcatel and Bosch all had production and most if not all components were sourced from Europe or the US. Two decades ago is the blink of an eye in the larger scheme of things, not even a generation, and many who worked on this are still in their working years.

Without being directly related, it would also be a good opportunity to chisel out a crack in the Android/Apple monopoly. Then maybe in a decade or so you could actually live as a functioning citizen without giving remote root to the oligarchs and self proclaimed supranational kingmakers.


> you can't really spread out parts of a fab that way. > That leaves chips, and you can be sure that whoever gets the fabs,

"a fab" or "the fabs"? We are commenting on news about TSMC building fabs in 3 countries across 2 continents, multiple fabs in each - I counted 23 of them here [1].

Surely, the EU can commit to a few fabs and research labs in different countries, semis are equipment and labor intensive, there's work for more than the EU. There's no need to build all of them at once, a clear commitment will suffice.

[1] https://www.tsmc.com/english/aboutTSMC/TSMC_Fabs


EU has a solid path of a lot of money to be spent in the next 5-20 years. Chips, AI, advanced weaponry, more advanced weaponry etc. If there was a program where everyone gets a slice, I'm sure it would work - a bit like ESA. It is doing it piecemeal that runs into the very problem you describe.


I remember those Trilogy remasters being really disliked because they were (are?) based on a botched version of the game.

Que? 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 addresses isn't enough for you?

They want the address block registered directly to them instead of their ISP

> In April 2009 RIPE accepted a policy proposal of January 2006 to assign IPv6 provider-independent IPv6 prefixes. Assignments are taken from the address range 2001:678::/29 and have a minimum size of a /48 prefix.

You can have your own PI bloc and move it between ISPs if you so desire. You effectively own the bloc.


Que? Relevance to context? Yes, that's what OP did except PA

Steve Jobs was all about the customer experience, hence so many of his famous quotes. Two like the most are:

- Him saying "Microsoft has no style", not because I care about ribbing on Microsoft but because it indicated that Apple was a company that really cared about the aesthetics of both their hardware and software products

- His response to the question why there was no $600 MacBook to compete with Windows plastic craptops. He specifically said that to deliver a good UX to the users, he needed Macs at a certain price point to invest in the hardware and the OS. Shareholder value didn't even enter the equation.

He also hated market segmentation and was adamant that all iPhones within a generation had the same features, aside from the storage size. When the 6 Plus models got image stabilization he felt awkward about it.

As soon as Tim Cook took over, it became beancounter city. Market segmentation became massive. Year over year price hikes with minimal improvements. Services became the core strategy. And the last 5 years you are under a constant barrage of ads for iCloud, Apple Music, Apple News, Apple TV and even ads in your Wallet.

Oh, and I'm just remember how Jobs said that form should follow function. Which you can also see a clear decline in from when Jobs became less involved, with iOS 7 being a disaster. And ever since then Apple has being violating their own Human Interface Guidelines. If you download their 1997 version it's absurd how many of their own former guidelines they violate these days.

To be honest, I'm not sure if you can entirely blame Cook. Ever since the 2010s, it's felt like capitalism has reached an endstage culture, where it is no longer about an equilibrium between best product for lowest price vs minimum product for highest price, but instead just maximizing shareholder value at the cost of the customer, the workers, the business itself, the environment and what have you.


> Year over year price hikes with minimal improvements

did you have a specific example in mind? It seems that the price of the hardware generally stays the same from year to year.

for example, from iphone 3g to iphone 6s was $199. and iphone 12 through today's iphone 17 is $799. I think the change in the middle was due dropping carrier subsidies and going to full-screen with face id.


2012-2018 was an insane run for MacBook Pro prices. Doubly so in Europe. Apple loves to adjust (read: gouge) prices when the Euro weakens against the dollar, but they never adjust down when the dollar weakens against the Euro.

This is a common trajectory for companies. The first CEO (founder) paves a vision, the second CEO grows the firm profitably, the third CEO is usually a wall street hire on a mandate to massage the stock price.

Doing it on restart makes the mitigation de facto useless. How often do you have 10, 20, 30d (or even longer) desktop uptime these days? And no one is regularly restarting their core applications when their desktop is still up.

Enjoy the fingerprinting.


I restart my browser basically every day.

yeah I close out everything as a mental block against anything I'm working on.

I think there's a subset of people that offload memory to their browsers and that's kinda scary given how these fingerprint things work.


There isn't enough energy in the solar system to count to 2^128. Now a uuid v4 number "only" has 2^122 bits of entropy. Regardless, you cannot realistically scan the uuid domain. It's not even a matter of Moore's law, it is a limitation of physics that will stand until computers are no longer made of matter.

You just need to open so many instances and tabs in each instance that it crashes every couple days

Umm, I restart my PC about once a week for security and driver updates.

If you don't, you have a lot more to worry about beyond fingerprinting...

Oh and I'm on LINUX (CachyOS) mind you.


The AI skeptics instead stick to hard data, which so far shows a 19% reduction in productivity when using AI.

https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

> 1) We do NOT provide evidence that AI systems do not currently speed up many or most software developers. Clarification: We do not claim that our developers or repositories represent a majority or plurality of software development work.

> 2) We do NOT provide evidence that AI systems do not speed up individuals or groups in domains other than software development. Clarification: We only study software development.

> 3) We do NOT provide evidence that AI systems in the near future will not speed up developers in our exact setting. Clarification: Progress is difficult to predict, and there has been substantial AI progress over the past five years [3].

> 4) We do NOT provide evidence that there are not ways of using existing AI systems more effectively to achieve positive speedup in our exact setting. Clarification: Cursor does not sample many tokens from LLMs, it may not use optimal prompting/scaffolding, and domain/repository-specific training/finetuning/few-shot learning could yield positive speedup.


Points 2 and 3 are irrelevant.

Point 1 is saying results may not generalise, which is not a counter claim. It’s just saying “we cannot speak for everyone”.

Point 4 is saying there may be other techniques that work better, which again is not a counter claim. It’s just saying “you may find bette methods.”

Those are standard scientific statements giving scope to the research. They are in no way contradicting their findings. To contradict their findings, you would need similarly rigorous work that perhaps fell into those scenarios.

Not pushing an opinion here, but if we’re talking about research then we should be rigorous and rationale by posting counter evidence. Anyone who has done serious research in software engineering knows the difficulties involved and that this study represents one set of data. But it is at least a rigorous set and not anecdata or marketing.

I for one would love a rigorous study that showed a reliable methodology for gaining generalised productivity gains with the same or better code quality.


There is no such hard data. It's just research done on 16 developers using Cursor and Sonnet 3.5.

> Just use LibreOffice at this point, at least it has native performances

I don't think you've ever used LibreOffice if you think it in any way fits the description "performant". It's a great project but I wouldn't exactly call it snappy.


I use regularly both libreoffice and collabora online and I can say the former is snappy compared to the second. It can take a longer time to open thought, mostly on Windows.

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