There is no sociology in a dictatorship where everybody knows about repercussions of expressing an opinion that goes against their glorious leader's will.
Yeah, sure, let's completely depend on our own honest media rather than being able to cross-check it with opposing parties. It surely won't create an echo chamber wherein our own media could report whatever they want, it surely won't result in less objective reporting and more propaganda.
the issue now is not "how good of a reporting does this or that media produce?" the issue is "a literal fascist government is invading a sovereign country and their propaganda machine is in full throttle mode".
> the issue is "a literal fascist government is invading a sovereign country and their propaganda machine is in full throttle mode".
Explain to me how you would come to that conclusion if it wasn't for the media? And how would you justify spreading that information if it came from "not really accurate or objective" media? Without being able to cross-check, you're just spreading one-sided gossip, if not rumors like the snake island story.
You've been breaking the HN guidelines so badly, so repeatedly, and so shockingly, we have no choice but to ban the account. I don't want to do that, but this is not allowable here:
No, please, do tell. Does a different stance make you fascist? Or does it make you pro-Putin? Or are you about to accuse me of being paid for taking a different stance?
You've already called me "fcking piece of sht garbage of a human" in a different thread. Ironic.
it's war. just like north korea would launch missiles during war, they would block enemy propaganda during war. doing the same doesn't make you tyrannical dictatorship - it's just means of waging war. weird that i have to explain basics of logic to you. or maybe not weird at all..
I'm genuinely shocked that all of this goes straight over your head. I suppose that your desperate need for yes-men and sympathy lead you to pulling false equivalence out of thin air. Perhaps that also confirms the name-calling, it must be frustrating to you.
Your account has been breaking the site guidelines by posting flamewar comments and has also been using HN primarily (in fact, it seems exclusively) for political/ideological/nationalistic battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Therefore I've banned the account.
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Edit: we got such an email so I've unbanned the account. Please stick to the rules going forward.
Are you for real comparing integrity of CNN and RT?
Show me a single outright lie CNN published, comparable to RT publishing a story that ukrainian army crucified a child on a main square in 2014 which caused some people in russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention of killing ukrainians.
RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians.
No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life.
Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred.
Remember the story about Iraqi soldiers pulling babies out of incubators in Kuwait? Told by a “nurse” in from of the UN, so that the US would get permission to invade Iraq?
People need to be able to see these stories to learn to recognize them as the bullshit they are. Hiding them will do more harm that good in the long to.
> without allowing enemy propaganda to poison gullible part of population uncontested
With all due respect but this paternalistic approach to what people should and shouldn't be allowed in knowing is a despicable point of view. Why do you think that you personally, or anyone can be sufficiently impartial to decide what's allowed?
I hate to be the cynical arm chair commenter but you have to understand that most of the world is not at war with Russia at the moment.
I can understand if the Ukrainian government wants their "airwaves" clear of russian propaganda, but asking the whole world to censor them brings no benefit in my opinion. More so, Ukrainians probably can tell from their own experiences how much bullshit there's on RT, so it serves no actual purpose to do so even for them.
I did read that in our original post. And I agree that there's always things that really ought not to be said. (And giving alternate examples is not always whataboutism.) But the problem with censorship, and specifically the underlying power in implement it, always comes back to "who watches the watchmen" - I don't trust RT to tell me the truth, but I really don't trust big tech and the US/EU gov to be the gatekeepers.
And a number of mainstream western outlets are trying to convince us to join the war by reporting on Russia's use of thermobaric weapons as if it was a warcrime.
Would you also apply this rule consistently with all of the Iraq war cheerleaders who also promoted fake news (like yellowcake)?
Im reminded of Chomsky's quote here (it's surprising how often it is relevant):
>Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.
If CNN participated in a blatant propaganda - i would want to hold them accountable. I don't believe they did during Iraq war, primarily because CNN is not government owned media and they don't know what is true or not. You can blame them for not verifying stories (and there should be responsibility for that as well), but RT absolutely knows what things they report are propaganda lies and what aren't.
>primarily because CNN is not government owned media
Depends on how much stock you put in Operation Mockingbird.[1] Many journalists in mainstream media absolutely carry water for the government. And it's not just CNN either, it's Fox News, NY Times, Washington Post etc.
This is an instance of bad actors taking advantage of vulnerable / dumb people. Banning RT comes across as whack-a-mole because it will just sprout up elsewhere.
This is unfortunately something that can't be simply banned out of existence.
> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred.
Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, which is exactly inciting violence. There's a lot of misinformation spread by both sides (Russia and the West) but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.
Zelensky was talking about an attack that happened within hours of his message, can't blame him for fog of war. And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community, which frankly he has every right to do when fascist invaders are taking over major nuclear power plants in your country, don't you think?
You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response and getting separatists to start fighting?
That's exactly what you should, though. Especially if you're in his position, where the smallest wimp is taken as fact.
> And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community
What exactly would you think the "response" would be if the nuclear plant was actually bombed? You don't have to be a geopolitical expert to know it is violence.
> You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response
Have you been following the news? Western media is doing exactly that with recent events like the snake island "heroes"?
Given Putin's ties with Israel and the enormous Nazi problem in Ukraine, it seems that describing the invasion as "fascist" is really skirting the line of absurdity.
there is no "enormous nazi problem in ukraine", that is literally russian propaganda. there is much larger nazi problem in russia in fact, from existence of radical far-right groups all the way up to concentration camps for gays in
Chechnya. i suggest you re-evaluate your sources.
russian invasion can't be called anything other than fascist - military glorious leader annexing a chunk of neighbour's territory under justification that people there are compatriots that need saving. you can't make that shit up.
They were made immutable after the issue was already widespread. Which is also why I'd heavily encourage to use hashes to pin container versions, even though people might not see the immediate need to do so.
version numbers are never immutable. they are arbitrary labels that are created by some centralized authority and can be changed by that same authority.
artifacts being removed is much less of a problem as artifacts being spoofed with malicious content.
> This brings up an interesting side point, in that Docker Hub and most other registries allow mutable tags by default. So nginx:1.21.6 might not be the same image today as it was yesterday. In reality, you probably need a mechanism to enforce tag immutability: e.g., your own registry mirror, or referring to images by SHA)
yeah, well, i stopped reading when i saw that "GOOD" example. it's not. and that isn't a "side point", that's the most critical point for preserving security and reproducibility of builds.
It's literally the line that follows that example. Why do you think it's useful to comment when you haven't even read the topic of discussion. You're like a person not reading the book at a voluntary book club. If you don't want to read it, just don't show up.
This would have needed to happen a long time ago to have the altnerative energy sources in production today. Which also begs another counterfactual scenario: what if we had spent even a slightly larger fraction of the taxpayer r&d subsidies on renewables rather than the extremely capital heavy nuclear research on both military and civilian sectors, with many decades long dead-ends (breeders, gas cooled, liquid cooled, fission, etc), we'd be decades further along with solar and wind.
r&d in nuclear pretty much died down over past couple decades, it all went into wind and solar. and i think it's a mistake. safe compact nuclear reactors have been developed even with reduced capital, imagine where we could've been if we continued developing.
To have more nuclear power now the plant constructions would have needed to take place starting 30ish years ago, to account for the 15 year lead time per unit and to space apart the large number of construction starts to get an appreciable number of them operational. To have better renewables in the counterfactual r&d scenario, the earlier we diverted the resources the better acceleration payoff it would have had, ideally in the 50s to 70s.
What kind of sick mind one needs to have, to push this anti nuclear bullshit when the real issue is a fucking fascist invasion of Russia into Ukraine? For fucks sake..
You need to have some kind of an authority to argue like this. E.g. did you do anything about it? But even then it takes a special kind of stupid to behave like this.
yes, i've donated to ukrainian army that is fighting to stop the fascist russian scourge and i'm helping to coordinate delivery of humanitarian aid so that people aren't dying because of fascist russian scourge. all of that hopefully helps ukraine last enough for russia to collapse and become a dead wasteland with no oil or gas exports.
I asked what are you doing to stop the world's dependance on russian gas because you brought it up in. Considering you are avoiding the answer in an emotionally charged way I bet the answer is nothing and that you own at least two motor vehicles and heat your home on natural gas (from Russia).
The argument you made is about the importance of nuclear because of russian gas. So the question is - see above. If you already forgot what you wrote I would be extremely happy to quote you.
