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> How does a policy like that look in practice?

I used to work for a manager who would blatantly say "I will not hire a white person for this position". Of course, it wasn't an official policy to exclude people based on race. I'm pretty sure that would be illegal? But in practice, some hiring managers would sometimes reject or not even consider candidates of certain races. I've also seen people on hiring panels lower standards explicitly because of "diversity" (but to be fair, only when the candidate was on the fence of hire/no-hire).


> Russians knew that they live in Europe

This is not accurate. In the USSR and after its collapse, Russians generally don't consider themselves European. I also think this aligns more or less with how the rest of the world sees Russia if you consider the standards of living and the freedoms citizens have in Russia (e.g., no freedom of speech; not being able to freely travel to most of the world). On top of that, don't forget that geographically, most of Russia is in Asia.


Russia is a 100% European country.

> standards of living

Comparable and exceeding some countries in EU (e.g. Bulgaria)

> freedoms citizens have in Russia (e.g., no freedom of speech)

Some freedoms are there, some are not. Before 2022 it was similar to some parts of Europe.

Also, freedom is not synonymous to Europe.

> able to freely travel to most of the world

It is not that bad. 127 visa-free countries, more than e. g. Montenegro, Moldova, Albaina - all of which are 100% European.

> geographically, most of Russia is in Asia

This is a meaningless argument. Britan was 90% not in Europe in the year 1912. But no one would say it was not European.


European Russia is limited to Saint Petersburg and some parts of Moscow, otherwise it's mostly mongolian by culture since the times of Golden Horde


Russia is not an European country. It requires running water and indoor toilets for this. Also not being run by mafia.

The current conflict is going to break it up into smaller chunks sooner or later. I'm going to enjoy watching it burn.


Russians need a travel visa to go to any Western country and most of the world. Some EU countries are banned Russians from entering; the US is not issuing travel visas in Russia anymore.


US is actually quite good on offering entry to refugees from Russia. At least 30,000 people from Russia entered US through Mexico and requested asylum in US and many got it. The problem is that it's only option for basically rich citizens of Russia because whole process is expensive, hard and quite dangerous.

EU is much closer, but it does nothing. Putins regime could've lost 30-50% of it's high-skilled workforce if EU or UK just made it easier to immigrate. E.g literally 100,000s of Russian IT workforce left due to war and political situation, but getting actual work visas is hard process and outside of country of citizenship it's only gets harder if not impossible.

But honestly west can't even help Ukraine efficiently. How can one expect EU to actually do anything to cripple Russia economy...


> do i care that your vpn connection is broken by your oppressive goverment

Do you realize that the government restricting access to alternative media sources even more will result in fewer and fewer people in russia opposing the status quo?


FYI, some Russians who oppose the war get their information about the events from Ukrainian websites.


Why do some "white" immigrants who came to the US recently have to pay for something people in the US hundred years ago did?


It seems at the same time white employees are under-represented in tech overall (see Racial distribution of tech employees relative to US population).


ClickHouse is licensed under Apache License 2.0 and Yandex is incorporated in the Netherlands. What are your concerns with it being developed by russians (other than xenophobia)?


No, you're the xenophobe.

I'm concerned with there being a support issue, as well as a smaller user base also affecting support in the long term.


> de-colonializing their culture

Decolonizing from who? From Russia? Mongolia was never colonized by Russia, it was the other way around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Kievan_Rus%...


According to Wikipedia, the territory now called Mongolia was conquered by White Russians in 1920. Before then it was controlled by the Chinese Republic and before that the Qing dynasty (the rulers of which were ethnically neither Chinese nor Mongolian). In response, the Red Russians assisted Mongolian communists in conquering the country. The assistance included the sending of Russian troops.


I'm relatively new to the US, can anyone explain why Asians or LatinX people born in the US in middle-class families should get better treatment than "white" immigrants who recently came from poor Eastern European countries?


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