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The 20h figure is specifically for streaming 4k Netflix in the app on Windows. Netflix doesn’t even support 4K streaming on Linux as far as I know.

Good call out - but seeing 2.5W consumption at idle from people with it already on Linux so these numbers will hold (like Dell XPS 14)

They would have definitely advertised if it was something special like mini-LED but it seems to be a pretty standard display.

Judging by the graphics used in the launch event, it may actually be miniLED. Perhaps they aren't mentioning this so people don't compare their max 700 nits full screen brightness to other vendors' >1000 nits full screen brightness.

In his presentation, Nirav compared it twice to a MacBook. Even saying they want to build the MacBook of the Linux world iirc. While I also agree with you, it’s still a valid comparison.

It's not just a valid comparison; for some of us, it's the only comparison that matters. Upgradability and repairability are really nice features, but the machine still needs to otherwise be an upgrade over the one it's replacing.

If the Framework Pro holds up in reviews and works as well with Linux as claimed, it'll probably replace my M2 Air as a daily driver. If they add Dvorak as an option so I don't have to rearrange the keys myself, that will make the choice a slam dunk.


IMHO you should just stay with a Mac. The Framework Pro is the antithesis of a Mac, you can literally take your old framework's mainboard and network card and put them into the new chassis. Everything is replaceable. As long as they continue with that trend, it'll always be thicker and heavier than a Mac, and will always make compromises.

The video says that directly. They want to compete with MacBook, but people coming to Framework from Mac are attracted to the idea of owning their own computer and being able to customise it.


I'm not sure I understand your pitch. Most of those are features, not bugs. Why would I give up all of that plus first-class Linux support just to save checks notes 0.35mm in thickness?

"Upgradability and repairability are really nice features, but the machine still needs to otherwise be an upgrade over the one it's replacing."

You seemed like upgradability and repairability are secondary things to you, whereas the framework makes them its primary asset. It's unlikely the Framework Pro will ever be an "upgrade" over the MacBook in other areas. Comparing it to the MacBook completely skims over its most important differentiator.


Well that's also true, but "really nice features" still means the opposite of "terrible anti-features". All else being equal, I don't not want those things.

The more important part is first-class Linux support. From my perspective, macOS is basically discount Linux; it's tolerable, but only if the gulf between a MacBook and the next best hardware is wide enough to justify it.

Assuming the basics hold up well, upgradability and repairability likely push Framework Pro over the edge for me from merely "close enough" to "materially superior" on balance. I'd still be interested if it didn't have those features, but I'd also look more closely at alternatives and be less willing to pay a premium over the cost of an equivalently-specced MBP.


Yeah, it is a valid comparison, and assuming the quality is close to par with a macbook, I think it would be worth the extra cost.

I'm someone who doesn't want to go through a new laptop every other year. I've got an M1 mac right now. I've owned it for 5 years and could easily see myself getting another 5 years of use out of it. Only problem is, the hard drive is small, I can't upgrade it. It only has 16 GB RAM, which is fine for now, but I can't upgrade it. One of the 2 USB C ports gave out on me. I can't repair it.

If I had a laptop that I could repair and upgrade that also ran Linux? I would absolutely pay $2k for it - as long as the quality is good - because I think I would save money in the long term by making a laptop like that last a long time.


I use thinkpad (T14s now, X1 Carbon and X220 in the past). The hard drive is just m.sata and very easy to upgrade. You really can't upgrade the disk on a Mac?

not since like 2015, they're soldered on to the mainboard

Claude and opencode aren’t natively supported but there’s a Claude code package in the FreeBSD repos. For cursor, I have no idea.


If bun and node.js run I'm sure the agents will, you might have to fight tool calls since the system utils differ from GNU core utils a tiny bit here and there, but you could toss the agent and whatever tools into a jail and have a nice package, use zfs snapshots between prompts so you can disect it later.


He’s also been shipping the smaller petaflop tinyboxes with either nvidia or amd.


I’ve read this a couple of times now but when I check the pcpartpicker price trend for ram it is flat.


Gemini-cli is much worse in my experience but I agree


Super key for most keybinds is much nicer than windows in my opinion, where it is entirely wasted on opening the start menu. On Linux it gains a few functions based on the desktop environment but not much.


The use of the Windows key extends far beyond the start menu. Builtin functions include window management, invoking programs on the taskbar, locking the computer, invoking Explorer and Settings, invoking and controlling accessibility functions like Magnifier. The Microsoft Power Toys add a lot of functions using the Windows key by default as well, like screen snipping, screen OCR, color picking, enhanced clipboard, and many more.


My problem is that I don’t use the majority of these functions at all. Command I can use for almost everything no matter how frequent or infrequent. It also replaces most “ctrl+shift” binds which is a great plus for me.


That’s still like 10 uses vs unlimited uses on macOS


Having a key reserved for OS level actions means you can create your own shortcuts and macros based on it without fear of it conflicting with each app shortcuts.

Since operating systems also don't change often nowadays there is also seldomly any conflicts when a new system shortcut is added.

I also love good old Meta + left click/right click drag for moving and resizing windows in linux.


It may be ten uses, but it's ten uses I use constantly throughout the day.


You must not use MacOS. Command gets used all over the place, even during editing. And in Emacs it gets used as Super, which opens up some options.


Even just the window management category is more than ten uses. And it is unlimited uses, as you can assign additional shortcuts however you like.


That thing is NOT related to tinybox or tinygrad in any way. It is basically copyright infringement. Unless you’re astroturfing here I suggest you get your money back.


Wasn’t astroturfing, I’ll look into it, thanks.


Sorry for even mentioning astroturfing, haha. It’s just because the promotion of the device is based on trying to fool people it was made by tiny corp.


In my case they apparently succeeded.


I feel like the Mac lineup is still coherent especially compared to basically every other laptop manufacturer. The iPad lineup I don't know.


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