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Humans spent thousands of years living in small groups where everyone had to be useful. When all of sudden you stop working and sit in your corner, you are doing something that run against thousands of years of evolution.

I scrolled this whole thread curious if someone would make this simple observation. We did not survive and evolve for millions of years to be born and then do nothing, to not meet needs and have needs met. Historical precedent, tamper with carefully.

I am partial fire and I feel that line of demarcation personally. I've also watched it play out in others like clockwork. As wealth grows, new responsibilities emerge.


If you are having trouble working out, first get into the habit of going to the gym first. Make it a habit to go even for less than 5 minutes. The more you go, the longer you'll stay.

I feel we should have children as early as possible between 18 and 30, but we should also stay together with our parents. Grandparents can raise their grandchildren. They would do a better job. The problem is now everyone wants to go on their own, separate from the community, then call modern life difficult.

I read a book that discusses this - "The Weirdest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous" by Joseph Henrich. I found it interesting though I've heard some criticisms of it.

My partner died when my child was a year and a half. So I mostly moved in with my parents...

I used to have a good relationship with them, but they think I'm doing everything wrong. If my situation was a tiny bit better I'd move out. Like this, I sacrifice my sanity for some personal freedom: my parents enable me to go swimming or running or out to a pub every now and then.


How grandparents can raise grandchildren if they both have a job? If they are unemployed and living of benefits - so can parents.

Also not many grandparents are willing to raise little kids as it is physically hard.


Because fuck community. It's extremely rare to meet people who don't suck. My parents were never interested in me as a person, they were interested in me fulfilling their fantasy of a picture-perfect family. My aunt completely exploited her husband and then he happened to drink himself to death which was completely and unavoidably his own fault. Now she's ruining her daughter's teenage years just so that she can score popularity points among other religious nuts. When I was a kid I was the least popular in my class and I know that when you reach the bottom, literally nobody cares about you, unless they can extract something from you. It's dog eat dog. Now I'm an adult and the more I interact with general population the more it feeds my narcissism. I genuinely tried becoming a better person so that I'd have more friends but at some point I understood "it's not me, it's them". There's only so much I can do before I realize, most people aren't worth being friends with. The few people that are worth it are ridiculously difficult to find and usually have their own busy lives and chances are, the ones you happen to meet live on the other side of the city which is one hour one way.

This way of seeing the world is foreign to me. My family, friends, neighbours, co-workers, and even the guy who works at my local bakery are all good people.

I agree that most of the people I meet aren't going to be my friends, but disagree that they aren't worth being friends with for someone else. Most of them have got other friends. They're still worth something even when I don't have enough in common with them to want to hang out. I'm better than them at the things I'm good at, but they've all got their own strengths where they must surely outdo me.

I can't tell if you're from a different culture, carry some trauma, expect an unrealistic level of commitment, or something else that would cause us to have such a different outlook on life. I'm sorry that you've been let down by other people and I hope things get better for you.


Don't look at the world through the lenses of your problematic upbringing.

Healthy communities exist. They are increasingly rare due to the massive shift in the way of living, but they do exist.


The thing is a healthy community, by definition, isn’t going to allow a struggling loner to join them

This isn't exactly true.

1. If the community has "healing power", it can accept new broken members as long as they don't overwhelm the support system. Many hippie and religious movements work with some version of this idea.

2. A struggling loner might be so because of traits unattractive to general society, but attractive to the community. Pretty much all subcultures fit here.


Sometimes I feel people are just jealous. If Meta is so ready to throw money why don't these people just build something and sell it to them for billions in 6 months. Join the winning side instead of complaining.


So I have a position that I don't think you'll like. I feel like making money is a means to a better life. Generally, we as a society should seek value creation that actually improves society and increases our productivity. If all you want to do is basically trick rich people out of their money, I don't think that is the world I want to live in.

Yes this is an argument from morality fundamentally. I guess I want to live in a society that rewards being productive and making others better. Not essentially theft a step or two removed.


Do people really think Mark is simple? At his level a billion is not what you and I think it is. To most it's money to him it's just accounting with no negative financial impact whatsoever.


Where's the trick here?


it's just jealously.

hate only comes from below!


What would it take to make money? Double or triple the pricing. Most of these companies messed on pricing initially. ChatGPT Plus/ Claude Plus (or whatever it is called) are $20/month. These should be $80 to $100/month products. Probably even more, $200.


But then, how do you get the users and growth figures that justify the current boom in infrastructure build-up? A high equilibrium might be profitable to a few companies and useful to a few rich customers, but it’s far from justifying current valuations.


Social media as it is works perfectly and does not need to be changed for extroverts. We just need a product made for those who care about small private groups.


My mother is 73. She uses Meta AI a lot. Her friends do too. Maybe Zuck knows what he is doing.


>She uses Meta AI a lot.

How?


Health questions or things she would usually call us for. When I was surprised to learn her friends use it.


Interesting, thanks!


Because he put a big "AI" button on every single one of Meta's apps and surfaces. I'd bet that most of the usage is accidental. Great way to show inflated user counts in your earnings reports and get some directors promoted, sure, but not a long term strategy.


True, that AI button is shoved pretty violently in unexpected places, and surprises me in an unpleasant way, since I've never considered Meta itself as a place to search for information, let alone something trustworthy.

But this is actually interesting. Asking for medical information in the past was the realm of Google Search, now a combo of Google/Gemini/Chatgpt/whatever. Could it be they are going to try to bite off a chunk of that market? kind of like how they chose not to compete with Google search in 2010's. But now are taking another pass at it?


Side hustle. Sidelancing.


I am in my mid forties. I have always walked away the moment I have been yelled at any job. Each time I have done this I had zero dollars in the bank. That is a privilege I give to my family, and they don't even use it. If it is a big organization walk straight to HR or go home and call a lawyer.


I also agree it’s o er the line. However what I do is I leave “on my Own terms” as a form of victory. I will make that the moment I mentally decide to leave but I let myself choose the timing as much as possible as a form of not letting my environment affect me. Not sure if that makes sense


They still did not value you in the end. That was just manipulation to get you to stay.


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