Thanks for this level of detail. History is complex, which is why I tend to be skeptical of bare “what would the founders have thought about this” complaints.
I asked last year and was told 404 is the source of too many copycat low quality posts and they have a paywall. In the year since, a bunch of their original reporting has hit the front page and driven interesting discussions.
Just to clarify for anyone reading. 404 does not have a paywall. They have an account wall. Some articles require you to be signed into a free account to read.
As a noob here on HN, that's what I gathered from your previous comment:
> In the year since, a bunch of their original reporting has hit the front page
So, a year ago, before my time, 404 media was moderated in a way that seemed like a ban, but now it no longer appears to be shadowbanned, is that what I'm learning?
If a 404media article makes it to the front page, it's because enough people happened to vouch a [dead] article, which is quite unusual and involves a lot of luck (since most people don't have showdead enabled). Nothing has changed on the mod side as far as I'm aware.
> Dealing with fraudsters should be baked into the cost of doing business for these megacorps. A smaller business couldn't get away with this kind of "support". The largest companies should be held to the same standard.
It is already baked into the costs in business models of big companies. And they are pretty good at it, actually; we’re talking about one high-profile case, and it’s not the only one, but it is rare enough that such stories are still newsworthy.
The standard that people want, though, is absolute certainty: zero errors that affect real customers, a 0% false positive rate.
The scale is in fact a challenge. If a small business has a 0.00001% false positive rate, they will affect approximately zero of their customers. For Apple, managing billions of accounts, that same false positive rate would affect hundreds of real customers every day.
IF it happens to a high enough profile person that we can all hear about it, it's certainly happening to far more not high profile people we never hear from. No one wants absolute certainty. We want less corporate fuckery.The scale of the challenge is not an issue for companies worth trillions of dollars except that they don't want to spend a meaningful part of those trillions to deal with the challenge.
The data that Google and Meta harvest are your interactions on other websites and apps that are loading a Google or Meta JavaScript, or have a back-end data integration with them.
I don’t know if Apple has client-side ad scripts like those, but in decades of building websites I’ve never been asked to implement one.
I was going to say the opposite: that unlike back in the Osbourne days, consumers today understand that there will always be “something better” announced soon, and they’re used to making purchase decisions anyway.
This affected only reporting of placement and impressions; basically you don’t get counts for placements below the first 10 or 20 results (can’t remember which). It did not affect clicks which are measured directly regardless of how deep in the SERP they happen.
An LLM on your phone can know everything else that is on your phone. Even Signal chat plaintexts are visible on the phone itself.
People definitely will care that such private data stays safely on the phone. But it’s kind of a moot point since there is no way to share that kind of data with ChatGPT anyway.
I think Apple is not trying to compete with the big central “answer machine” LLMs like Google or ChatGPT. Apple is aiming at something more personal. Their AI goal may not be to know everything, but rather to know you better than any other piece of tech in the world.
And monetization is easy: just keep selling devices that are more capable than the last one.
Gemini can know everything in my Google account, which is basically synonymous with everything that's on my phone, except for text messages. And I use an iPhone. And then Gemini will work just as well on the web when I use my laptop.
So I don't see what unique advantage this gives Apple. These days people's data lives mostly in the cloud. What's on their phone is just a local cache.
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