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Haha, good catch- we’re not.

This is my experience as well.

I think the idea is the google is the bot

Yeah but google will inject ads, my future LLM bot will filter them out

Why would I want to be restricted to google’s “view” of the info


Assumes you'll be able to parse out, or even discern the ads. "May contain product placement". The content is the ad.

(this bot exists and is called Kagi)

I love the vision, but I do wonder how the parallel internet will deal with DDoS levels of bot traffic.

I hear ‘web of trust’ pretty often and I like the idea but that’s not anonymous or accessible either


How do personal blogs deal with the HN hug of death? In this increasingly-utopian vision, I imagine that being more widespread than (paid) DDOS attempts. There won't be any money to be made (banks, Paypal, etc. won't trust the "parallel web") and with the proliferation of synthetic training data I'm not sure how useful a target a bunch of blogs and smallweb sites would be.


> I love the vision, but I do wonder how the parallel internet will deal with DDoS levels of bot traffic.

Something that makes it expensive to initiate a connection and cheap (relatively) to accept or reject would probably help. I think that’s a hard problem though.


Well, how does Tor or other services do it now?


They get blocked by Recaptcha, I think.

I’m not talking about the network itself but the servers on the other end.

I guess my point is that while Google is definitely malicious, I don’t think every site using recaptcha is and if we expect them not to use that tool there should probably be an alternative.


> They get blocked by Recaptcha, I think.

I think SV was asking what onion services, which can't really use recaptcha, do to prevent the DDoS storm.

And I would imagine the answer is obscurity, since the dark web isn't nearly as well-mapped as the public web. That and some Anubis or other PoW would probably go far.


Proof of work I get, but isn’t that like step2?

If I’m hosting at some IP, I still need Anubis or something to serve up the challenge, so doesn’t that become the attack point?


Tor does it by being so painfully slow an unreliable that the only way you would use it is if there is a cocaine-style reward at the end of it.


> Tor does it by being so painfully slow an unreliable

I do 95% of my web browsing via Tor Browser and it is very tolerable, most circuits are fast enough for 1080p video (Youtube, Twitch livestreams, etc) without any buffering.

Here is a speedtest I ran just moments ago, I would hardly consider this "painfully slow": https://www.speedtest.net/result/19172283165.png

Of course this is a single tor circuit with an exit node, so speeds are slower when going directly to .onion sites, but the only real slowness comes from the latency and not throughput.


Do you add uBlock Origin to Tor? I know that it is not recommended.


I don’t think being anti-capitalist necessitates being anti “perform a skilled role or responsibility that's useful for your tribe”. To me, that’s the big benefit- under capitalism you’re not working for your tribe, you’re working for a tiny few shareholders.

I’m pretty sure the world overall and certainly “my tribe” would be better off if the job I’m working just never got done


> under capitalism you’re not working for your tribe, you’re working for a tiny few shareholders

The first half of this sentence is false, but the second half is true.

I don't know about you, but when I look at my window every day, I see thousands of people working for their job: making delicious food that others can eat, stocking store shelves so others can shop, trimming trees so the city will look nice, driving trucks full of goods that others can have, designing good website UX for others to use better, repairing broken cars, etc. It's an intricate dance of millions of people waking up every day and doing selfless things for others in their tribe, in just the right amounts, because we've (miraculously) given them an incentive to do so.

To me what's depressing is that we can live in such a wonderful world, but with a cynical pessimistic culture in which it's commonplace to ignore the chief output of everyone's work.


The ‘little incentive’ that it you don’t do it you starve to death.

There’s tons of work being done because it feels meaningful, later today I’m cooking a meal for a potluck, etc. but if you want your Job to be meaningful that comes at a huge premium.


Good on you for cooking for the potluck! I think that's meaningful.

I don't think having a meaningful job comes at a huge premium, though:

1. I don't think it's true that if you don't work, you'll starve to death. At least, not in the west. You won't have the high quality things compared to your peers, but the state will provide you with housing, food, and resources, so long as you're psychologically capable of using them.

2. But even so, is there any other creature on earth that doesn't have to do some sort of work so it won't starve to death? Even hunter gatherers had to hunt, forage, raise kids, make tools, or otherwise contribute to their tribes, in an endless grind, just to get enough calories to survive.

3. And that doesn't seem… wrong? Many of us enjoy an incredible abundance of options for food, shelter, safety, entertainment, etc., produced by our peers in our tribes and communities. Why shouldn't we have to contribute as well if we want to partake?

4. The idea that "meaning" comes at a premium is the story I want to contradict. It's just that: a story. I know someone who delivers the mail. He loves delivering mail. He feels a ton of meaning. He says, "Yeah there's a lot of junk, but without me, people wouldn't get their wedding invitations. And they wouldn't get their bills paid." Most jobs contribute something, and contribution is meaning. The sad thing to me is we have so many voices telling everyone, "Your job is meaningless!" that people are starting to believe it, and they're ignoring the lives that their work touches.


Delivering mail is meaningful for sure! So is teaching, people want to do these things and sometimes it lines up that there’s a market for it too.

The premium is that stuff like my job where I’m fiddling on Azure is to the benefit of no one and making four times as much.

If you want something meaningful you have to accept worse conditions because all the wonderful lovely people of the world who care and want to make a difference want to work there and not somewhere else.

And it’s interesting you picked mail as an example, when at least in the USA it’s run by the state ;p

I don’t really think it’s horrible that it’s not possible to mooch off your community and give back nothing forever but I don’t think ‘a little incentive’ is the right way of putting it, especially for all the people that hate their jobs for reasonable reasons but stay at it because of the alternative.


They’re the ones doing it lol


I still like the name Bard


In my experience games crash a lot less often than the windows file explorer

I feel like we give what’s some pretty impressive engineering short shrift because it’s just for entertainment


I'd posit that the average game dev is significantly more skilled than the average dev.


Not to stand up for Claude Code in any way, I don’t like the company or use the product. This is just a related tangent-

one of my favorite software projects, Arcan, is built on the idea that there’s a lot of similarities between Game Engines, Desktop Environments, Web Browsers, and Multimedia Players. https://speakerdeck.com/letoram/arcan?slide=2

They have a really cool TUI setup that is kinda in a real sense made with a small game engine :)

https://arcan-fe.com/2022/04/02/the-day-of-a-new-command-lin...


Why do you think they’re jealous of fraudsters?


What fraud have any of the companies under "risk index" committed?


Which bit of "risk index" are you not getting?

Alternatively: how are you in a position to claim they're 100% not frauds?


So I have to prove they aren't fraud otherwise they are fraud by default. Makes perfect sense.


The point is that it is unknown either way. Your comically bad faith reading of my comment does you no favors.


Why do you think they’re jealous of future fraudsters?

But like genuinely, this sort of take confuses me so much. It’s like, if someone made fun of Putin and the consensus was that they’re just jealous they don’t have a country of their own to run.


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