I know many who have had hugely successful exits to vista. They are extremely good at what they do - but perhaps what they do doesn’t align with your morals
If drop in quality and increases of price for the same product is good morals, I question the supporting worldview.
"Profits above all" is not a good thing. Authentic delivery and growth is a great thing -- it means people want your product. Profits above all is just pillaging.
Do you think there is the possibility of consumer or end-user apps collecting enough specialized data to move downwards on your graph to infra and foundational models?
AV is already widely utilized by thousands of internet companies and represents a significant market.
The issue is the companies being targeted have simply chosen to not enact any AV or gating measures because it would impact their existing business. Additionally, the targeted companies have solutions available but are leveraging legal and lobbying efforts vs. changing their business.
Source: I work for a company that distributes a widely used AV product.
And? The point of the article is that it's incompatible with privacy on the internet, or rather the spirit of what the internet is - widely accessible, not pseudo-AIM.
You’re thinking about AV as it’s been rolled out in the past few years in places. But the mDL / mobile passports don’t require that - it’s a signed record that a certain government agency signs. It can be something like signing what kind of vehicles you can operate but also can be just an anonymous age verification check. The standards body for this was explicitly thinking about privacy-preserving mechanisms to do AV (I know because I attended some meetings and observed the discussions they were having).
In practice, how do these system expect the kids (much more technically savvy than their parents, and with a motive) not to get their hands on their parents'? (As you know, kids often get access to credit cards without parents knowledge.)
Biometrics identification required to release the record (eg the Secure Enclave in iOS could sign it)
You can believe that a standard committee of very smart people (technical and regulatory) was thinking about all these problems so saying “what about X” isn’t helpful when X is an obvious concern.
A sufficiently advanced attacker could probably figure something out (especially with these 3p apps which are bound to have security flaws), but it will be out of reach for most people (these apps will hopefully be discontinued once the OS wallets integration is complete - they should only be used for pilot programs and if they’re not they will be stopped once they become a known vector of identity theft).
The harder problem is attestation for >13 services since kids that age may not have digital devices and government ID but that’s a government policy problem to figure out.
> You can believe that a standard committee of very smart people (technical and regulatory) was thinking about all these problems so saying “what about X” isn’t helpful when X is an obvious concern.
Really? Doesn't HN show on a monthly basis that no, exactly nothing directly follows from that premise? Typically the committee has completely different incentives and directions from, well, half the planet's wants?
At that stage though, mine was just a question. I was curious.
> they will be stopped once they become a known vector of identity theft
Okay. I'll agree to disagree. See US Social Security Numbers, cell phone numbers, credit card system...
The vast majority (90%+)of all AV is not photo ID. It’s phone number or name/address (in the US), depending on the industry. This info is usually collected.
For adult industry, the issue is gating web traffic. But as I explained to a regulator mentioned in the article, as long as there are shady companies who won’t comply and can’t be fined, it’s a moot point.
Phone numbers? That seems like a bunch of security theater. (Edit: presumably that's why the states that have passed porn AV laws require IDs, not phone numbers.)
> For adult industry, the issue is gating web traffic.
Clealry that is not the only issue as adult sites have chosen to stop operating rather than comply in jurisdictions that require AV.
The adult sites will simply move offshore where the country trying to stop the flow of information doesn't have jurisdictions. It's whack-a-mole. The only solution is that parents control their kids, install nanny software, and teach them what is age appropriate. I chose to skip all that but supposedly I'm supposed to just accept that they are taking more of my freedom away and expect me to turn my ID over to random internet companies and trust that they'll "do the right thing"
Could you elaborate on where this sits between a custom Airtable/Notion CRM and something more purpose built like Wobaka, Attio, Folk, LessAnnoyingCRM?
Both focus and solve CRM issues for smaller companies. Would love to hear three main items:
1) Which company profile (size, revenue, industry/use-case, etc) is Twenty best suited for and which of the above do you has at the closest target profile overlap?
2) Which aspects of a CRM does this solve now and in near future (Q4 2023)? eg: is it email sequences, existing customer tracking & BI, prospect enrichment, etc?
3) What sales/CRM stack are you using internally at Twenty // what are your peers using? How do you send bulk emails? How do you track signed contracts, revenue start dates, and so forth? Would love to get some info about not just dogfooding your own product but what you/peers use for your GTM.
It would sit in the second category. And probably even more on the right than the companies you mentioned on a spectrum going from "agnostic database UI" to "opinionated CRM tool with a rich set of standard objects/APIs coming out of the box" (which doesn't mean that you can't customize it).
1) Building a full-featured CRM is a long-journey. Our strategy is to start working with companies in our YC batch which have simple needs, and then deliver improvements fast enough so that these companies never outgrow us and have to switch.
2) We're focused on a simple B2B Sales use-case for now (log tasks, kanban, etc.). Next we will focus on data integration, connectors and extensibility. The goal is to become the best system of records for the company. That should allow connecting external tools to bring the best of breed app for each category (e.g. customer engagement, support tool, phone). Later on we will eventually invest in building our own Marketing/Support apps like Salesforce did but we're still very far from there.
3) Prior to this launch we only had a handful of people we were talking to so a simple Kanban in Twenty, no automation. And after that, we will remain focused on product development in the coming months so our team is probably not the best example in terms of Sales playbook. But once we want to scale the team and have built integrations, we will likely take the "best of breed" approach I was mentioning above, using Twenty as the central piece to connect Aircall, Braze, Docusign, etc.
