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> King vs. Malcolm

Popular history idolizes Dr. King, but without the stick of Malcolm X, King would have been cast aside. Only with both did the movement succeed. An ahistorical false dichotomy. Nonviolence wasn't simply some magic bullet that was magically better than force, it was a political tool that seemed nicer compared to the alternative of force.

> [R]iots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. [...] But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities [...]. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. [...] [A] riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

- Dr. MLK.

> India in relation to nonviolence

The Indian case is arguably one of the best cases for violence against a colonizing force. Ghandi brought eyes of the common people towards India and created internal pressures, and additionally functioned as a unifying figure, but without indian revolutionaries nothing would have happened.


> without the stick of Malcolm X, King would have been cast aside

This is very much a supposition. A credible one. But not settled history.

> Nonviolence wasn't simply some magic bullet that was magically better than force, it was a political tool that seemed nicer compared to the alternative of force

Fair enough. And perhaps showing a group of people movitated enough to credibly threaten violence demonstrates their potency as a political bloc. But the value is in showing organisation. Not in the violence per se.

Levying violence as a political tool a dangerous game. If that rhetoric turned to action, the civil-rights movement would have been destroyed. By popular command.


> Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

I'm on board with the general mindset of this, but in recent years and especially since 2020, I've become less and less convinced that it's actually true. We have seen people effectively rioting in opposition to social justice and progress. There are for instance people who sincerely believe that by being required to get a vaccine they are just as oppressed as a Black person in the 1960s, or even as oppressed as a slave.

They are incorrect. But they believe they are correct, and social justice and progress won't alleviate their misunderstanding nor their willingness to advocate on its behalf.


> good-cop/bad-cop

The first essay in "How to Blow Up a Pipeline" deals with this dichotomy and how it's been used many times. Great read.


striking is extremely tangible compared to protesting

This thread is about effectiveness, not tangibility (which ironically proves my point).

General strikes are extremely effective

come out of the irony layer for a second -- what do you believe about LLMs?

the poster is in fact being very sarcastic. arguing in favor of emergent reasoning does in fact make sense

From DEF CON 32. Particularly stuck out to me:

> Think about Amazon. Warehouse workers have to piss in bottles and have the highest rate of on the job injuries of any comparable company in the industry, whereas Amazon coders get to show up for work with facial piercings, green Mohawks, and black t-shirts that say things their bosses don't understand. They can piss whenever they want to. That's not because Jeff Bezos loves Tech workers, it's because they're scared you'll quit and they won't be able to replace you. Another William Gibson quote:

> The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed.

> You know who lives in the future? Amazon warehouse workers. They are living in your future. Drivers whose eyeballs are monitored by AI cameras that do phenology on their faces to figure out when went to dock their pay and warehouse workers whose bodies are ruined in a matter of months. As tech bosses beef up this Reserve Army of unemployed skilled Tech workers, those Tech workers --- you folks --- will arrive at the same future as them.

> Look, I know you spent your careers explaining in words so small your boss could understand them that you refuse to enshittify your company's products and I thank you for your service but if you want to go on fighting for the user you need power that's better than scarcity --- you need a union.

https://techworkerscoalition.org/ is suggested right after this. Maybe of interest to some. There was no chapter local to me.


> then out-compete them on volume by flooding the marketplace

The whole idea of outcompeting on volume doesn't add up for music. It's a power law game not a commodities game. Spotify is playing a dangerous game trying to pretend that it is but I have little faith it won't destroy their business long term and turn them into a future Blockbuster or Macy's.

half of HN is ai related, people can be fed up

Maybe someone made a bot to complain about AI and farm karma points?

This removes the primary advantage of opencode, easy access to many models to avoid hammering a single service. Absolutely unusable to anyone with a pro sub.

It’s not hard to set up a router/proxy for Claude Code to use something else.

what's the point of this? at least the jmail suite was based in real facts and documents. is this just for lolz? strange behavior.

What's wrong with lulz?

Well there were victims and they're still around so...

A joke isn't funny if you're "punching down"


They don't need to, and shouldn't, use this service. It was not made for them and I doubt sincerely that it was made to harm them.

There were direct victims, but you also forget that the US now has a shared trauma over the handling of the Epstein situation and its systematic suppression, the gaslighting, and anything which continues to fuel discussion is a good thing, until the day that it has been properly addressed.


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