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Yes. Hyperscalers promised AI and singularity, instead we got millions of programmers on the chopping block, scammers having a field day generating hyper realistic shit (trump playing hokey, anyone?), and projects like these.

Most “cs” students don’t work in aviation, majority (statistically) work on yet another SaaS that is a CRUD that has been solved millions of times already.

> majority (statistically) work on yet another SaaS that is a CRUD that has been solved millions of times already.

Not necessarily going to be true by the time current first year students graduate, given that solved problems are most exposed to AI acceleration.


I think it's a bit like `rails generate`, where it massively speeds up getting a CRUD webapp 0 to 1, but once you get to GitHub or Shopify size, you need a lot more than that to add a new data model.

AIs are pushing many things forward, but due to training sets and context windows, I think meaningfully adding to actually valuable apps, at least as we currently write them (the kind with many DBs/caches/message queues, services) will take a fair bit longer.


Why wound it change?

Because the companies doing these will either not employ as many people as they do now or will cease to exist altogether since their customers will not need their services

And there’s still biggest war in Europe since ww2. Israel and Gaza. Iran standoff. Tariffs.

> Can you name me another time when humanity has run out of useful work to do?

Can you name me another time when big swaths of highly paid population were laid off due to redundancy and how did it go for the population?

Also, another hint: I couldn’t care less what is going to happen to “humanity”. “Humanity” isn’t the one who pays my bills and puts food on my table.


> I couldn’t care less what is going to happen to “humanity”.

I would be profoundly ashamed to write such words on any public forum, myself.

However, I fear that probably, most people don't think like me, but feel the way you claim to. :-(


Afternoon latte and useless meetings won’t do themselves!

> As a specialization? Sure. But the ditch diggers moved since to machine operators, handymen and the like.

All of them? What if they liked digging ditches?

> In the past there were sysadmins. Do we have less software engineers since sysadmins ceased to be a thing?

Software Engineers were never sysadmins in the past, you’re thinking DevOps maybe?


The software engineers who like "digging ditches" are going to have a bad time in the new agentic engineering world, unfortunately.

Here "digging ditches" corresponds to somebody else figuring out the detailed requirements and specification and handing it to the engineer to transcribe into code.

That's what the coding agents replace. Thankfully for most engineers I've worked with that's only a small part of their overall jobs, albeit one of the most time consuming.


> It takes a good programmer to write it, and most good programmers avoid JavaScript, unless forced to use it for their day job.

Nonsense.


> But for a dev waiting 50ms or 20ms does not matter. At all.

It absolutely does:

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-May/153296...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16978932.


To win benchmark games it does, in a world where people keep shipping Electron crap, not really.

Not sure if you missed the /s?

Anyway, you posted about speed, and then followed by a link to some python related thing. In python speed has never been a key tenet, at least when it comes to pure cpu based calculations. How much tooling is built in python? All the modern python tooling is mostly Rust based too. So theres that.

I mean for a dev working in JS with JS built tooling the speed is not in milliseconds, but in seconds, even minutes.

I still think my point holds, having a build take int he 10s of seconds vs 50ms is very much good enough for development (the usual frontend save and refresh browser cycle)


People shaving off the last milliseconds or microseconds in their tooling aren't the same people shipping slow code to browsers. Say thanks to POs, PMs, stakeholders, etc.

Sometimes they are the same person.

It just take someone to have poor empathy towards your users to ship slow software that you don't use.


I've never met a single person obsessed with performance who goes half the way. You either have a performance junkie or a slob who will be fine with 20 minutes compile times.

I have. They cared a lot about performance for them because they hated waiting, but gave literally no shit about anyone else.

So uv for JavaScript? Nice.

No, that would probably be pnpm, even thought it's not nearly as fast because it's written in JS.

I thought it's mainly written in Rust https://github.com/oxc-project/oxc . Which oxc project is written in JS ?

They are talking about pnpm (which they said would be the uv equivalent for node, though I disagree given that what pnpm brings on top of npm is way less than the difference between uv and the status quo in Python).

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