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It’s not just politics at this point. The line between good and evil is very clear in this case.

Edit: I mean Ukraine war. Don’t feel in position to evaluate the rest.


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> The line between good and evil is very clear in this case.

> Edit: I mean Ukraine war.

Yes but it's not clear yet who will win, and the church cannot afford siding with the losing side, especially that now it's weakest it's been since medieval times.


> The line between good and evil is very clear in this case.

Edit parent meant Ukraine war, not the Israel conflict quote Pope had.


It would be different materially. The rallying cry would be different for one.

No matter who did it, it would still be 'evil'. There would be 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. Specially when the labels would be applied to dead children and innocents under rubble. Everyone keeps forgetting them.

Just because you think they would do the same to you, does not justify your actions.


Apologies, I meant Ukraine war, should have been more clear, it is that simple there.


your username is peak irony, considering your statement


That is a great and underused method of evaluating moral judgments and I believe that it’s very suitable in this particular case.

I do not have much hope that Palestinians would behave “better” according to any sensible measure of the word.

I would conjecture that many governments would position themselves differently and that criticism would face less obstacles.

In the end it would be as much of a catastrophe.


>That is a great and underused method of evaluating moral judgments and I believe that it’s very suitable in this particular case.

It also dilutes the current and very real responsibilities of the 'effectors'. In saying 'they would have done the same' it becomes very easy to justify the unjustifiable.


To your pre-edit:

> [basically] What if in a different world Hamas had all the weapons plus the backing of the US while Israel only had shoddy weapons?

In a hypothetical world where Usain Bolt was raised on Greenland and became interested in competitive gaming: would he have become the fastest human? Probably not. Different timelines.

This Sam Harris exercise is meaningless. The goal is not to measure the level of evil in the hearts of <hamas> or <isreali government>. That’s impossible. Hypotheticals that have nothing to do with reality are also fruitless. The goal is to figure out what evil actions are being committed and stop them.

But the abuser only did those things because he was abused as a child for eight yea— What’s that got to do with the problem at hand?


> The goal is not to measure the level of evil in the hearts of <hamas> or <isreali government>. That’s impossible.

The goal of thought experiment wasn't to measure evil or good. It's to determine if the lines between good and evil are that far apart.

If Ukraine was way stronger than Russia, would it try to annex Kursk and other non-Ukraine regions? Would it commit as many atrocities? No. It would be constrained by its desire to join EU. Could it do it if it had 30 more people, more nationalistic populace, and near infinite ammo supply? Probably.

But a litmus test, just tells you rough acidity, not exact pH either.


If Israel wasn’t an ethnostate that treated Palestinians as second-class citizens (especially in the West Bank, especially in Gaza) would violent Palestinian factions have a political basis? No.


And if Hamas tactics didn't make every Palestinians into possible threat, the Israel ethno state wouldn't be as repressive. In many

The big issue was world powers of WW2 deciding to just bequeath land to Israel.


> And if Hamas tactics didn't make every Palestinians into possible threat, the Israel ethno state wouldn't be as repressive.

The Israel ethnostate predates Hamas.

You even call it an ethnostate.


Small edit. 30 million not 30.


Congrats from a fellow braliukas on producing such a great movie!


Yeah, it’s a silly segway. The team could have moved somewhere “safe” at any time before the acquisition lol. I’m from the Baltics as well, we are not moving anywhere from our land, photo editing features can wait.


Given the results of the election, I pray you be right and my fears be wrong.

Stay safe.


Relieved to hear I’m not the only one. I always blamed myself for not understanding it deeply enough. But admittedly, it is a shit snow and the most frustrating part of development.


Been there and there is no easy answer. Personally, I’ve tried switching jobs, doing new hobbies on a side but it was not enough. I’ve burned out much deeper than 1-month vacation or a new job, doing essentially the same, could fix. In the end, my whole life needed changing. Now I’ve cut my costs a lot, work a lot more on my own projects, take on freelance work, and spend A LOT of time doing other shit that I want to do. It feels crazily unproductive at times and I’m missing out on a lot of money and career improvements. But I feel fucking alive.

I think to get out of the rut, you actually need to do significant changes that feel scary but those are the only ones that will shake you and get you out of the rut. It’s actually really simple but also not easy. In a sense, we crave for that rut and familiarity of what the next day brings but that’s also what kills us. Need to shake up things periodically, try to discover other parts of yourself you didn’t know or forgot about. That will do the job.


Gosh it is so hard. I think I’m a few years from doing the same. Earning good money right now, can’t wait to cut it at back. But lifestyle inflation is real. Or at least my mortgage payment is as real as it ever was. And now family is growing one at a time and all of them depend on my income exclusively (not that I mind, but it does add gravity when I feel like quitting it all). It is quite a trap.


Thank you for sharing this! Planning to embark on a similar adventure and having some fears, this is reassuring.


Many many thousands of people are doing it every year, you got this!

Reach out if I can help in any way.


Nice! What kind of consulting and where would you suggest to look for these guys? I’m EU based.


https://antarcti.co has the steps to work with the British Antarctic Survey


Thank you! Any advice on where to find those? Is maritime experience required?


I don't know; all I know is that there are ships out there with high performance computing products on them for the purposes of geological exploration and other similar work. "Sorry, it's gonna take us some time to upload those logs for you. The connection is not so good out here in the middle of the North Sea."


Does anyone know how to get a foot in the door for jobs in places like this? Not necessarily Antarctica, could be Greenland or other remote, harsh places. I am a regular software engineer from the EU, would be over the moon to pursue something like this


Long-term stays is going to be a lot harder than shorter visits. Need/option for such travel tends to be explicitly called out in job descriptions by scientific agencies/institutes running such things. If you're not at it from a scientific angle, expect it to be technician roles (and thus adjust year salary expectations accordingly)


What about short-term stays? Is it usually only as a visitor, or there might be volunteering opportunities?


Such a great comment, absolutely agree and going into "construction" is indeed the remedy for the bleak worldview. We truly do live in amazing times but it's also overwhelming.


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