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It’s interesting that only now he is stepping back now that he’s been found out. It demonstrates that it’s not about ethics or morals, but about publicity and damage control.


it's the good old eleventh commandment, "thou shalt not get caught"


How do we know that whoever asked him to step down already privately knew?


most of what we know today we knew years ago, too


The tax paying class of the world just have to watch all this horseshit go on, watch the institutions and the law enforcement agencies protect these people with our hard earned money, meanwhile if we break a single law, there are consequences for us, sometimes massive.

It's a bullshit world we're living in, but I guess it's always been the same?

It seems for the wealthy, raping children is an acceptable pastime and we're just supposed to accept that it's ok?


It's a big club, and we ain't in it.


(I know you're referencing Carlin, but) a big club it is not. You might even say it's just the "top 1%" or even less.


Top 0.1% is still a VERY big club, just in the US > 300.000.


This is the 0.1% of the 0.1%


> It's a bullshit world we're living in, but I guess it's always been the same?

> It seems for the wealthy, raping children is an acceptable pastime and we're just supposed to accept that it's ok?

This category of malcontent (about out-of-touch elites engaging in all sorts of depraved perversions while the poor starved) at Versailles eventually caused most of the former to lose their heads during the French Revolution.

The smart ones know that they need to keep up appearances, the dumb ones behave like they will never face consequences.


The smart ones are building bunkers to escape the hell that the US will become when the civil war actually starts. They're not hoping to survive the apocalypse, they're just hoping to ride out the 20 or 30 years of war and return as actual Lords for the serfs that are left after we kill each other.


Yes I know of someone who willingly gave up their US citizenship for tax reasons but has EU, Israeli, and a bunch of other citizenships. They get to live a good life in the Netherlands + traveling the world while the US tears itself apart and then when it is time to retire in 30-40 years, the country will be ripe of the picking..they will buy their citizenship back through one of the multiple buy your way into the US visa programs...and retire in Montana.


And the US never revolted against our domestic aristocracy, as they never revolted against our clergy.

Wonder how it would have turned out if the French revolution happened before the American Revolution? What could we have learned from them?


By most metrics, it's almost always been worse. But that doesn't make the modern era suck any less.


Not according to the metrics proposed by Graeber & Wengrow in the last chapter of Dawn of Everything

> The three freedoms that most of our ancestors enjoyed, but which most modern humans lack are:

> The freedom to leave.

> The freedom to disobey an order.

> The freedom to create new ways of relating to one another.

https://drdevonprice.substack.com/p/the-three-fundamental-hu...


Eh, there's a tremendous amount of projecting a particular modern viewpoint onto the past in that work. It's a bit nonsense.


Admittedly, I only read a brief review of the book, but it was suggesting the opposite.

And example: we tend to inject too much of our modern viewpoint onto the old monarchies—that Henry VIII would not have thought himself ruler of the "state" of England although we talk about him in that regard from our modern perspective.


Yeah I agree with that. And I'd argue that it is still the same nowadays. People at the top probably knows clearly which interest group they are in, and which group they can rally up, and which ones they need to fight to the death -- even if they all belong to the same nationality -- and I'm not surprised if local interest groups ally with "foreign" interest groups to fight another local interest group. It is blurred.


That book is "rethinking" history but that rethinking curiously fits extremely well with a particular modern narrative. Some people eat it up. But separate a few decades in the future and it will seem like an extremely fad-driven interpretation of things.


The book makes a point of how historical analysis was already fit extremely well into particular contemporary fad narratives of the time. It does as much deconstruction of that (and of the idea that those contemporary fads were timeless elements of human nature) as it does construction of new ones. The former is a very interesting part of the book you’re not addressing. I don't know what you add to this conversation with such breezy dismissal...


And would most of those metrics you allude to happen to have been brought to us by institutions like Harvard, or the US Treasury Department?


I'm talking about disease prevention, maternal mortality, infant mortality, access to clean water, anesthetic(!!) and access to things like reading glasses and hearing aids and oh, I don't know, refrigeration.

What does your precious Harvard and US Treasury Department have to say about that?


I think the topic though was corrupt abuses of power, lack of justice or accountability for the wealthy—those kinds of things.


Taking a longer view of history...

One metric of change would be that statutory (underage) rape wasn't a crime anywhere 200 years ago. In some countries, it still isn't. Mass rape and kidnapping is going on right now from Nigeria to Sudan. Wealthy old men can still marry 12 year olds across much of the Middle East. The fact that sex with minors has become relegated to something like a luxury designer drug for the elite hypocrites in the US and UK, and the fact that they're now being exposed for it, is in many ways an unexpected victory for humanity. The previous 5k years of recorded history, and probably the whole million years before that, were wall to wall with war, slavery and raping children. As well as the elites having such rights as prima nocta and simply executing anyone they wished. So I think we are making progress.


Brought to you by Steven Pinker, another one of Epstein's associates.


"The big thieves hang the little thieves"


I understand you want to highlight this, but you don’t have to begin your sentence with "It's interesting that..." because this is not interesting or novel in the slightest.


You are entitled to your opinion and they theirs.


I assume that someone begining a sentence that way is implying "It is interesting to me that…" and I cut them some slack.


It's interesting to me because how the hell did he think this was going to end? "Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't work in the court of public opinion. So, if one was even peripherally associated with Epstein, it would seem like that would be a hell of a liability.

On a side note, did Epstein have employees on his sex island and what happened to them?




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